From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Marshall, Simon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: RE: [21.1.90]: point put at point-min in *compilation* Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702DB6BDD@maileube01.misys.global.ad> References: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702CD2B19@maileube01.misys.global.ad><6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702D254AF@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <86y79yrrdz.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702DB6689@maileube01.misys.global.ad> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202378187 2115 80.91.229.12 (7 Feb 2008 09:56:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 10:56:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JN3Ue-0007hw-Jq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:56:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3UC-0001B0-48 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3U4-00019x-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3U1-00018a-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN3U1-00018R-8j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3U0-0005nz-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3U0-000845-KY for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3Tx-0005n9-Lo for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:52 -0500 Original-Received: from cluster-a.mailcontrol.com ([80.69.8.190]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN3Tt-0005lO-If; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:55:45 -0500 Original-Received: from rly21a.srv.mailcontrol.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rly21a.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id m179tQM7028862; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:55:43 GMT Original-Received: from submission.mailcontrol.com (submission.mailcontrol.com [86.111.216.190]) by rly21a.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) id m179tBAC027689; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:55:11 GMT Original-Received: from maileube01.misys.global.ad ([217.196.233.105]) by rly21a-eth0.srv.mailcontrol.com (envelope-sender Simon.Marshall@misys.com) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id m179nFON001489; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:55:11 +0000 (GMT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [21.1.90]: point put at point-min in *compilation* Thread-Index: AchpIqDraacJpbn5RvGi//y8aOinWAARVJeQ X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-08-00-01 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.65.1.131 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88415 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:20920 Archived-At: > But scrolling still has to occur for you to be able to see if there's > anything to read. >=20 > That is not true. Starting a new compilation erases the buffer. > So you will certainly see that the output has started. Then you > can read it at your own pace. Yes, you can read it by scrolling through it - that was my point above. With a default of nil you still _always_ have to scroll yourself, whereas with a default of t you _only_ have to scroll yourself if (a) you see there is something worth reading and (b) the compilation hasn't stopped anyway because that something was a fatal error. And with t you get the visual cue of progress status. > If it scrolls automatically I often can't even SEE if there is > something I want to look at. And supposing I do see, by the time > I can get my hands on the keyboard to type anything, a lot more > output will usually have come out. Iff you think you might have missed something, then you can scroll back. But how is that different from scrolling forward, which you _always_ have to do with a default of nil? If you care about compilation output and/or progress, a default of nil means that you always have to do something (ie scroll), whereas with a default of t you only occasionally have to do something. > My decision is not to change the default to t. Ok. Though it is worth pointing out that the other few who have expressed a preference have said that the default would be better as t. It is also worth pointing out that the other (non-Emacs) build tool I use also behaves that way. Emacs 21 and 22.1 also behave that way (apart from the first invocation) and I bet nobody complained about that. (As I understand it, Drew was complaining about M-x grep, which I agree with, and its default would be better as nil.) > Has someone tried to use my new compilation-auto-jump-to-first-error? > It stops the scrolling as soon as the first error is spotted. >=20 > I have not tried it, but it sounds like a good idea. > Is it installed already?=20=20 I would try it if it was in Emacs 22. Misys and Misys International Banking Systems is a trading name for Misys I= nternational Banking Systems Limited which is registered in England and Wal= es under company registration number 00971479 and with its registered offic= e address at Burleigh House, Chapel Oak, Salford Priors, Evesham WR11 8SP. = THIS E-MAIL DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THE COMMENCEMENT OF LEGAL RELATIONS BETW= EEN YOU AND MISYS INTERNATIONAL BANKING SYSTEMS LIMITED. 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