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From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com>

On Jan 4, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Ted Zlatanov wrote:

> LMI> I don't really see that the ELPA solution really helps much here.
> LMI> Wouldn't it be easier just to include the gnutls DLL in the Emacs zip
> LMI> file?  Problem solved.  :-)
> 
> I'm concerned about GnuTLS updates after the install.  An ELPA package
> could do that, a simple DLL drop couldn't.

Reading through the thread, it seems likely that there are two main groups of W32-GnuTLS-interested parties:  those that almost never update a `working' emacs (ala Drew Adams' report about of emacs 21.3 users), and those that update very frequently.  I'd guess that a `stable emacs' w32 installer would be very helpful for the former (and agree with Juanma that it would be good for emacs use in general), while I'd expect the other group to be more comfortable with piecemeal updates of emacs/packages/DLLs/etc. 

If this guess matches reality, then I have a suggestion:  by policy put the DLLs with the binary, make the installer DTRT, and then add some sort of `update alert' facility that checks ELPA to notify users about new versions.  This facility would not necessarily update the software itself, but would notify users that a new version of the software exists, along with notes about the changes (especially the severity of the changes) and instructions for updating.  The installer-based default would only (somehow) bug the user about severe problems (such as security breaches for GnuTLS), pointing them at a new installer.  Users who opted in could be notified of all changes (perhaps displaying ChangeLogs or vc status messages at the far end).

*Chad


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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54                   ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02  0:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  1:33                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  1:44                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  2:35                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  2:57                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  3:18                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  4:02                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03  0:48                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  6:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04  6:48                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04  8:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  3:45                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  5:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  7:03                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  8:21                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37                                                                           ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:40                                                                                   ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  0:18                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05  2:00                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  2:36                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05  6:45                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  6:41                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  7:04                                                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41                                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47                                                                                       ` chad [this message]
2012-01-04 23:16                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:36                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19                                                                                                 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14                                                                                                     ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06  0:05                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:11                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:09                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:05                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  1:13                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:24                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  1:48                                                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  2:37                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  3:08                                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  3:56                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  4:11                                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  5:49                                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  7:12                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:34                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:31                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  3:37                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07  9:30                                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  1:36                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:46                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  5:07                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:23                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  3:15                                                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06  3:37                                                                                                         ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:10                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07  2:03                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  5:40                                                                                                                 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51                                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09  1:04                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                           ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59                                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17                                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10  1:45                                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:06                                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:30                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:43                                                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:54                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10  2:34                                                                                                                                           ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  2:43                                                                                                                                             ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10  3:01                                                                                                                                         ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  3:21                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49                                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48                                                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10  0:57                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11  5:09                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26                                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49                                                                                                                                       ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59                                                                                                                                         ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47                                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58                                                                                                                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33                                                                                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04                                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40                                                                                                                                   ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08  7:40                                                                                                                   ` GnuTLS for W32 Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-08  8:34                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:43                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  0:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35                                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24                                                                                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03                                                                                                                     ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05  5:24                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:34                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 18:11                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:44                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03  7:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  7:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26                                                 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14                                       ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42                               ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:47                     ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  9:47                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32       ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02  6:55         ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05                   ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05               ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17             ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06               ` Carsten Mattner

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