From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <6E85BC44392D46329A8B001686F5265D@us.oracle.com> References: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> <5BA8C7FD552242618A9756630F5D1801@us.oracle.com> <83aa1yidyc.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335463993 18966 80.91.229.3 (26 Apr 2012 18:13:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@gnu.org, 11354@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 26 20:13:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBl-00015f-Bl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:13:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59842 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBk-0003HN-LY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50797) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBi-0003GQ-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBe-0006B8-Dx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53572) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBe-0006B3-Af for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTCb-0007rW-LD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:14:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546398230146 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 18:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54606 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBd-0007ps-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:37507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBb-0007ph-Ke for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3QIBpWx004978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:11:53 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QIBoD0012669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:11:50 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3QIBnEb008064; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:11:49 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83aa1yidyc.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0j1HvCifnKrGIkTAig/PkTva8YIQAAVcuA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59531 Archived-At: > Yes, frivolous "bugs". Coding style is not a bug. 1. Debatable. Emacs is about source code, not just executable behavior. Emacs users deserve clean, readable code. The source code is part of Emacs and the experience of using Emacs. A big part. Not to recognize and respect that is to do a disservice to users. 2. `report-emacs-bug' is not only for bugs, in any case. It is for improvements generally, including bugs and enhancement requests. A suggestion to improve usability is as valid as a report about a critical security bug, even if the fix is not as important. There is no reason for such stubborn resistance to such a reasonable suggestion, which is after all in line with the GNU policy. It is trivial to fix this - takes far less time and effort than your resistance/obstruction. Is your desire to improve Emacs or to fight some silly battle? By declaring this "won't fix" you are effectively deciding that it is _better_ to have such long lines in the code than it is to respect the longstanding policy of limiting line length. How so? a. Because the fix is so trivial. b. Because leaving such extremely long lines here and there does not discourage their use elsewhere: it sets a bad example.