From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Arrow Keys? Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:13:25 +0800 Message-ID: <6B67F2A5-FA6D-4860-A0ED-C5C90F34DEDB@gmail.com> References: <791jqsF1otu7cU1@mid.individual.net> <87eitvka9p.fsf@bb.nothome.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244438057 20808 80.91.229.12 (8 Jun 2009 05:14:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:14:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 08 07:14:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MDXBU-0001bB-Cx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:14:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44395 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MDXBT-0001sm-An for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MDXAv-0001sf-EK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:13:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MDXAq-0001sP-IC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38070 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MDXAq-0001sM-B6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f181.google.com ([209.85.222.181]:54245) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MDXAq-0000vF-1z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:13:32 -0400 Original-Received: by pzk11 with SMTP id 11so1138653pzk.14 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=sd3/XzSndZln4QhAon3NIW+TO74441A+UpMGzXJjJTU=; b=qMKqhm+ocNeGsi4XEJTRfiZ7hg7bvzASuxNG1PSBG1PkIErqaP5PAhEtDx+J7ovzMd DzQ2nSG9jI+FU4vPY1Fn3xCOYt1YGdzm5xEEeRoV3MTyj66iYclxRgsgUOp4FN5gxHC0 W0xjr+9yDTMPvD4XJtdJ62l+lV9kRm2KcVbCY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=QfucKM/d/9qY0auRHVrjMW1F/VvSBLsRXZBFHuX5pXzsfRFW9XOV9IfzPuQc66Z+70 N4bOPIl43myT4eDP1ofPu/rUiUjmZpqx5N1cdBQDq9N6OzZrDzfmljjLlLtJ1B9PWLsn iARVSR/QR9eSgYQvrPMoVcegee7lugXG/RfAo= Original-Received: by 10.142.214.12 with SMTP id m12mr2309162wfg.119.1244438010960; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?192.168.1.107? ([61.51.238.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm8190875wff.9.2009.06.07.22.13.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:13:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eitvka9p.fsf@bb.nothome.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:65029 Archived-At: On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:24 AM, notbob@bb.nothome.com wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > > >> This is a rant. I have no real point. In the end, it's better to use >> f- >> b-n-p, but good Lord it takes a long time to get here. > > Beats the crap outta changing modes every time one wants to enter or > edit text! > > nb --vi, the heart of evil! Sure, and the point of emacs' customizability is well taken, as always. I fooled with changing keys, and with ergo-movement, and felt like I didn't know my modes well enough to change something so basic without messing up a whole bunch of other stuff. I'd find something that felt right, then three days later edit a python file and realize, crap, I can't have those keys there. Maybe after another year of use I'll know the program well enough to feel comfortable making such fundamental rearrangements, but not now. So anyway, the main point remains: get to know the defaults, or change them. E