From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bozhidar Batsov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bzr is dying; Emacs needs to move Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:28:46 +0200 Message-ID: <6B21BB7A1D2541C68283B5C813DBCC17@gmail.com> References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87k3eisirv.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <9BB5295F80354DD996C654E2D1028D16@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="52c55b7e_73cfe165_1c26" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388665737 17413 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2014 12:28:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:28:57 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 02 13:29:05 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VyhOa-0007cd-EJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 13:29:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44621 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyhOZ-0005P4-QW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41197) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyhOS-0005Ot-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:29:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyhON-0005bk-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:28:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ea0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::22f]:52636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyhON-0005bc-Dz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:28:51 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f175.google.com with SMTP id z10so6194142ead.6 for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:28:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type; bh=e7bjGpngnJRSwMvS+VidaS8pDUtb7RRawa9zRKRg7Q0=; b=y8TrBT3BWEEGCiy9LzgjF0EuD56Oyp4JbLv+ZBW8CVZsdavJCObkAs9zIP8DghRDrJ rKnW84Ak0O2M0A9UDjN8HYH+HBffCyAXYNoCB/I7/zcyHoUWdoFqnGWTjnrqc+HvMfuv KLv4uMRobCdxFpnI7PVsRPl74tfTdNSTvG3CywIt1ycqsrM6cD9Cqxcfw0Gx48kFfWVA Yhrw+PqDJJoe4DhtpZGw+Wr1RVSX1/Ap7xKEGpU58DE2tUbOfcLA9cd96tu/k3xP1iDM XAw29pxeOsyWzCCatjRrYX3/YCq5kkBwgLN8er4xGXbBSvwPkSQRd9PrzvwXCN2wYYVI SItQ== X-Received: by 10.14.246.202 with SMTP id q50mr15283049eer.58.1388665730447; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:28:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.8] (93-152-182-45.ddns.onlinedirect.bg. [93.152.182.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v7sm135663574eel.2.2014.01.02.04.28.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jan 2014 04:28:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9BB5295F80354DD996C654E2D1028D16@gmail.com> X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1178) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c01::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167026 Archived-At: --52c55b7e_73cfe165_1c26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I agree with most of the points you make and I=E2=80=99d love for Emacs t= o adopt git, but judging from the last discussion on the topic a few mont= hs ago (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-03/msg00776.ht= ml), I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s going to happen any time soon. Btw, Richard said then he wanted to give bzr=E2=80=99s maintainer a reaso= nable amount of time to fix some bugs (or so I recall). If this hasn=E2=80= =99t happened - there=E2=80=99s one more argument in favour of using git.= Relying on a poorly maintained project is generally worse than relying o= n a unpopular project. =20 -- =20 Cheers, Bozhidar On Thursday, January 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > On Thursday, January 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > > () esr=40thyrsus.com (mailto:esr=40thyrsus.com) (Eric S. Raymond) > > () Thu, 2 Jan 2014 04:53:47 -0500 (EST) > > =20 > > Sticking to a moribund version-control system will compound and > > exacerbate the project's difficulty in attracting new talent. > > =20 > > It impedes people stuck on old (low spec) computers, too. =46or examp= le, > > in my adventures w/ git-bzr, i have managed to do the initial clone, = but > > 512M RAM is not enough to achieve the tantalizingly compact footprint= > > that =22git gc --aggressive=22 purports. I'm a stubborn fool and will= find > > a way eventually (suggestions from git-bzr / git experts welcome=21),= but > > it's an unqualified slog that i imagine is just not worth the trouble= > > for others in similar straits. > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > =20 > I=E2=80=99m using git-bzr myself and one of my computers overheats whil= e doing the initial clone from bzr :-) =20 > > =20 > > -- =20 > > Thien-Thi Nguyen > > GPG key: 4C807502 > > (if you're human and you know it) > > read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical) > > (not (via 'mailing-list))) > > =3D> nil > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 --52c55b7e_73cfe165_1c26 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I agree with most of the points you make and I=E2=80=99d love for= Emacs to adopt git, but judging from the last discussion on the topic a = few months ago (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/= 2013-03/msg00776.html), I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s going to= happen any time soon.

Btw, Richard said then he wante= d to give bzr=E2=80=99s maintainer a reasonable amount of time to fix som= e bugs (or so I recall). If this hasn=E2=80=99t happened - there=E2=80=99= s one more argument in favour of using git. Relying on a poorly maintaine= d project is generally worse than relying on a unpopular project.

-- 
Cheers,
=
Bozhidar

=20

On Thursday, January 2= , 2014 at 2:20 PM, Bozhidar Batsov wrote:

On Th= ursday, January 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote:
<= blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>
() esr=40thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
() Thu, 2 = Jan 2014 04:53:47 -0500 (EST)

Sticking to a m= oribund version-control system will compound and
exacerbate = the project's difficulty in attracting new talent.

It impedes people stuck on old (low spec) computers, too. =46or examp= le,
in my adventures w/ git-bzr, i have managed to do the initi= al clone, but
512M RAM is not enough to achieve the tantalizing= ly compact footprint
that =22git gc --aggressive=22 purports. = I'm a stubborn fool and will find
a way eventually (suggestions= from git-bzr / git experts welcome=21), but
it's an unqualifie= d slog that i imagine is just not worth the trouble
for others = in similar straits.
I=E2=80=99m using git-bzr myself and one of my= computers overheats while doing the initial clone from bzr :-)&nb= sp;

--
Thien-Thi Nguyen
GPG key: 4C807502
(if you're human and you know it)
read my lisp: = (responsep (questions 'technical)
= (not (via 'mailing-list)))
=3D> nil
=20 =20 =20 =20

=20 =20 =20 =20 =20

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