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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309507 Archived-At: --8944cbf3e61f4561840dbda9e74fb71d Content-Type: text/plain Fair enough. On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:33:59 +0300 > > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > > Cc: "Philip Kaludercic" , > > "Dmitry Gutov" , "Po Lu" , > > "Danny Freeman" , > > "Stefan Kangas" , > > "Emacs Devel" , > > "Manuel Uberti" > > > > And, I'll say it once more - in case this was missed in the conversations. Personal misgivings about > > the mechanics of Emacs's development aside, I think it's not prudent to keep growing its core, which > > is already huge. Obviously it's up to the Emacs developers to decide what to do, but I'd be moving > > more things into packages and bundling less things with Emacs. You might have seen this trend in > > some programming languages - e.g. Ruby has slimmed down its core a lot and this helped channel > > the efforts of the core team. > > Please don't go that way, and please don't bring that into this > (already troubles enough) thread. As you say, it is the prerogative > of the Emacs project to decide how lean-and-mean or how bloated it > wants to be. You are entitled to your differing opinions, but as you > ask us to leave the package management to you, please be fair and > leave the management of the Emacs project to us. It is unlikely that > we will change our minds just to accommodate your philosophy. > > --8944cbf3e61f4561840dbda9e74fb71d Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fair enough.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Eli Zarets= kii wrote:
= > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:33:59 +0300
> From: "Boz= hidar Batsov" <bozhidar@batsov= .dev>
> Cc: "Philip Kaludercic" <philipk@posteo.net>,
>=   "Dmitry Gutov" <dmitry@gut= ov.dev>, "Po Lu" <luangr= uo@yahoo.com>,
>  "Danny Freeman" <danny@dfreeman.email>,
>  "Stefan Kangas" <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
>  "Emacs = Devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
=
> 
> And, I'll say it once more - in case = this was missed in the conversations. Personal misgivings about
> the mechanics of Emacs's development aside, I think it's not = prudent to keep growing its core, which
> is already hu= ge. Obviously it's up to the Emacs developers to decide what to do, but = I'd be moving
> more things into packages and bundling = less things with Emacs. You might have seen this trend in
= > some programming languages - e.g. Ruby has slimmed down its core a = lot and this helped channel
> the efforts of the core t= eam. 

Please don't go that way, and pl= ease don't bring that into this
(already troubles enough) = thread.  As you say, it is the prerogative
of the Ema= cs project to decide how lean-and-mean or how bloated it
w= ants to be.  You are entitled to your differing opinions, but as yo= u
ask us to leave the package management to you, please be= fair and
leave the management of the Emacs project to us.=   It is unlikely that
we will change our minds just t= o accommodate your philosophy.



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