From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <6981740c-404a-438d-a225-256e4a5253bd@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com> References: <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <86r6993m9f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <218dfb54-c3b0-4887-a305-a8ae984a2f2b@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218066053 9065 80.91.229.12 (6 Aug 2008 23:40:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:40:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 07 01:41:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KQsdR-0007la-AF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:41:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37591 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KQscV-0005M5-Sq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:40:43 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 83 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1218064927 481 127.0.0.1 (6 Aug 2008 23:22:07 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160873 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56219 Archived-At: Dear Harry, Harry Putnam wrote: =C2=ABI can tell you that you are way off base in taking up a sort of feisty attitude to Eli. ... [~450 words of detail] ...=C2=BB Perhaps you are a bit off in using the term =E2=80=9Cway off base=E2=80=9D.= The use of the phrase =E2=80=9Cfeisty attitude=E2=80=9D, is rather good though. I alwa= ys enjoyed being feisty. Whatever, if anything, is between me and Eli, is really between us, esp the exchange between us in this thread has ended few days ago. (now revived. yay!) But now you post some 450 words in defense of Eli, i feel it makes me look silly and indignant. I refuse to be humbled here and there. If you look at this thread of the exchanges between me and Eli, i would rather think, he's just dallying about. Thank you however, for your opinion of supporting Eli. If one day i plan to be his enemy, i'll count you in too. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84 On Aug 6, 3:42 pm, Harry Putnam wrote: > Xah writes: > >. . . . . . . In this thread, i think Eli Zaretskii took the Gold > > for huffy-puffy. > > I've wanted to jump into this debate a few times but realized I had > nothing to add that hadn't been said. But now I feel I must reply to > this comment. Even though my comments are quite a ways off the > subject. > > I'm not a developer, only a semi-longtime user. And in fact one of > those semi-dunce users who often has a hard time learning about emacs. > > I can tell you that you are way off base in taking up a sort of feisty > attitude to Eli. I can say first hand that over a period of years, > probably at least 8 yrs, I've been getting answers to my questions > from Eli. He has always been very professional. Sometimes Eli would > state a fact that made it obvious that I hadn't thought very much > before asking my question and sometimes that would make me want to > respond in some off-hand feisty manner, > > But on reflection I'd invariably find that I was clearly off base and > all Eli had done was force me to see that. > > So for your information and something to think about before you > continue to argue, Eli has answered my (often dumb) questions > patiently and at length for years... questions probably numbering in > the several hundreds by now... That is not the act of someone who > likes to huff and puff. > > Eli has even taken what was of value in my questions at times and used > it to develop emacs to suite users like me. I'm thinking of a time a > couple of years ago when I complained about the colors emacs defaulted > to in console mode. Eli spent quite a bit of time helping me figure > out which were a better set and then fixing that aspect of emacs. > > I can recall a time a few yrs ago when I had a particularly thorny > problem I just could not seem to get right, Eli encouraged another > developer who was more expert in that area to ssh into my machine and > help me solve an emacs problem. > > Please take the time to review a few yrs of this group where you will > see Eli's name steadfastly answering questions with lots of helpful > information for any user who has posted a question. > > With a record like that Eli simply does not deserve that kind of > comment. Please give your comments some more thought before making > unjustified commentary, > > I've learned a considerable amount from posts of yours too, and have > learned to expect a (welcome) somewhat different take on things. > Usually helpful, from your posts. But to see comments like yours > about ELi, hat just makes me want to skip your comments. > > Please extend some effort to keep things on an even keel.