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[128.53.196.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z70sm21766594pgz.3.2017.07.02.16.14.49 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Jul 2017 16:14:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86o9t2wjhe.fsf@zoho.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22e X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113643 Archived-At: > On Jul 3, 2017, at 7:40, Emanuel Berg wrote: >=20 > It makes sense to produce introductory texts, > FAQs, and "culture" books in Spanish and every > other language. But not the technology itself. > And manuals and reference books are part > of technology. :) You speak from a minority language point of view. =46rom where you = stand that makes sense. There are not enough people who speak Swedish to = create a technological market of ideas, hence the *need* to focus on = English and to certainly not waste time on producing stuff in Swedish. It is silly to pretend it is the same for languages that have = populations ranging in the hundreds of millions. Especially for = linguistic communities where the common economic market offers very = strong incentives to produce in that language. You also seem to conflate technology (specs etc.) and it's = representation in native languages (references/manuals). Specs use = "code" that mostly looks like English, but it is not English. = "find-file" of "kill-region" are not English words, even if they look = like English. They are arbitrary symbols. Learning the English language = is not a required skill to have access to the meaning of such symbols = and to be able to use them fluently: my daughter does not speak a word = of English and is still able to fluently use all the alphabetical = commands available in Minecraft. It would bring her zero benefit to = focus on English acquisition before being allowed to play Minecraft. Or = rather, it would frustrate her so much that she would give up all such = technology and focus on playing with dolls who happen to speak the = language that she wants them to speak... Jean-Christophe=20