From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:00:24 +0300 Message-ID: <67c493f5-8f12-416a-bf6f-0831ab0687a9@gutov.dev> References: <875xto7lbn.fsf@dancol.org> <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <81b620d7-18a6-4c6e-8517-147a411ee882@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cc: Juri Linkov , Daniel Colascione , Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 22:01:14 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOjgf-0005PT-G0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 22:01:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOjg4-0001Eq-CR; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOjg0-00019C-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:00:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fhigh1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([103.168.172.152]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOjfx-0001sZ-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailfhigh.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585D3114020B; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:00:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gutov.dev; h=cc :cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1719950428; x=1720036828; bh=WMmcpT2fBOGRUuZjgZXkF0yaI4yDLOqQsndTbxFXjFw=; b= VXTPS67fC4bp2xHQHj8YbAXZa1b82ZloJ0njvEOHlVV2UlJNjKWykE40FOZkZD6s r9bcULiHohrCBmrx713tId7LY4aF6WHFw8UErowJNZGomaoYfR+SoQRgXzsq+VFl coM7zj4wg3qFNSl+CoGRbOWcKrUDbbOn2b0GJFTXj/sG0MwGQjjaQpF5V3wQLSP/ 6FNG2OTVj/WVTIc4Pe8yc3UozNQ/hOFcFmsuxVf0h7D1RBtkb6eLRrp+/tT9C1AD 5nGI50aTOLnwc/6j2AmIOr0OGKF8GrUxK5sI3VnuExFpXxKjDPv/v8o3VtOWW3nt KVnQEm3fFGarcgpOhzZl2A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1719950428; x= 1720036828; bh=WMmcpT2fBOGRUuZjgZXkF0yaI4yDLOqQsndTbxFXjFw=; b=m KnUR/cY6sdYJbf6dzu2G2HGjhjFo/R/C6Y1VnOxzInixWnz4xxRyF8fN34IkPgxz v2e/TxHE2xce0GxaiGYut1p6pI5G7DNuuE9IN+qeACJyQ88Vt0hqUwmUorniHyHv HdZ9sUpzkkiChCrasTFWCvcSu9tdCJ2YYnThChu7J3sNhxrxLWrZPo94Uro0hmqv 5d3m4ewEecNtaTnqJ/nKUvQsW42dk8HxByQ2tz1eSKIF8jKLJF+FqGYdQzV00AG7 WX7+yTRddBMjm/Y09krzur+MNPYr9O5P5hZ0OC5Ur1zu9GNB7sNUFeFiMkhrEQYK xgmBJLk+SOyRFY1Il0cAA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeftddrudehgddugeduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvvehfhfgjtgfgsehtjeertddtvdejnecuhfhrohhmpeffmhhi thhrhicuifhuthhovhcuoegumhhithhrhiesghhuthhovhdruggvvheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepteduleejgeehtefgheegjeekueehvdevieekueeftddvtdevfefhvdevgedu jeehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepug hmihhtrhihsehguhhtohhvrdguvghv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i0e71465a:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.152; envelope-from=dmitry@gutov.dev; helo=fhigh1-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321203 Archived-At: On 02/07/2024 21:30, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 01:04, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > >> I'm going to ask a dangerous question: do people use the existing >> bindings for "C-x " and "C-x "? > > No. These implement navigation through a list of a hundred or two, > where you see one item at a time, and navigate one item at a time, and > all this using a non-repeatable key. > > Compare Ibuffer, where you see a whole page of items, can navigate one > item at a time with arrows, one page at a time with PgUp/PgDn, or use > isearch. Off topic, but in theory the same bindings could be used for a "transient" command which (perhaps with a help of repeat-mode) keeps rendering the list of buffers e.g. using Ibuffer with the current highlighted, until you press something other than or . Although, to keep the contents of the current buffer displayed, the buffers menu would have to be in some sort of popup.