From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Wedler, Christoph" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.cc-mode.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: cc-langs.el Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:22:30 +0200 Sender: cc-mode-help-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <67B8CED503F3D511BB9F0008C75DAD6605485771@dewdfx17.wdf.sap.corp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1061922927 13059 80.91.224.253 (26 Aug 2003 18:35:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: cc-mode-help-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Tue Aug 26 20:35:24 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.sourceforge.net ([66.35.250.206] helo=sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19rif6-0004uz-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:35:24 +0200 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 19rifC-0006J3-00; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:35:30 -0700 Original-Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.11] helo=sc8-sf-mx1.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 19ricq-0001AZ-00 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:33:04 -0700 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by sc8-sf-mx1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.22) id 19rich-0000Vl-7g for cc-mode-help@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:32:55 -0700 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19riZI-0000BS-Nz for bug-cc-mode@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:29:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 19riWH-0002BY-Sr for bug-cc-mode@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:26:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [155.56.68.170] (helo=smtpde02.sap-ag.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19riSo-0000GV-U6; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from sap-ag.de (smtpde02) by smtpde02.sap-ag.de (out) with ESMTP id UAA00710; Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:22:58 +0200 (MESZ) Original-To: "'bug-cc-mode@gnu.org'" , rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) X-SAP: out X-SAP: out X-SAP: out X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Errors-To: cc-mode-help-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: cc-mode-help@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports, feature requests, and general talk about CC Mode. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:22:30 +0200 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.cc-mode.general:767 gmane.emacs.devel:16162 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16162 I fully agree with Martin to add (most of) cl to the elisp core! Martin Stjernholm wrote: > Considering the complexity of many elisp applications there's clearly > a lack of basic utility functions in the elisp core, specifically > functions to operate on the built-in data types, e.g. the map, search > and replace functions in the CL package. Yes, defstruct is also nice... > There are many severe drawbacks when every package with the need have > to avoid or reimplement them. Those drawbacks are so basic that I > don't think I have to elaborate on that. True enough! > Regarding the issue that Miles Bader raised: I don't request that the > entire CL library is "blessed"; [...] Sure, some cl stuff might be questionable, but what I would really like to avoid is to have to beg for every single cl function. I would like to see: cl is added, only the truly questionable stuff is not included. I.e., we will not hear "I don't think this function is useful" as a reason why a cl function is not included. And let's not forget: reinventing the wheel isn't fun. - Christoph ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: VM Ware With VMware you can run multiple operating systems on a single machine. WITHOUT REBOOTING! Mix Linux / Windows / Novell virtual machines at the same time. Free trial click here:http://www.vmware.com/wl/offer/358/0