* Re: Conducting Research on FOSS communities
2018-11-12 21:03 ` Thomas Ingram
@ 2018-11-14 1:04 ` David Arroyo Menendez
2018-11-28 2:41 ` Jean Louis
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From: David Arroyo Menendez @ 2018-11-14 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas Ingram; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Thomas Ingram <taingram@mtu.edu> writes:
> On 11/12/18 1:23 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
>
> Note: “community” refers to the FOSS community and the GNU Emacs
> community specifically.
>
> 1. Describe your role in this community.
I'm an advanced user and ocasional developer. I've contributed small
extensions to GNU Emacs, and contributed other scripts and books
translations to the community.
> 2. How long have you been a part of this community?
>
From 2000
> 3. Why are you involved in this community?
>
I like the GNU philosophy and from my point of view. GNU Emacs is the
best software to understand it. In the beginning was because was a good
free software editor.
> 4. What would you say are the shared goals of your community? (Why does
> this group exist? What does it do?)
>
The goals are shared because there are a license.
The emacs culture is shared, because we share the source.
> 5. What mechanisms do members use to communicate with each other?
> (examples: meetings, email, text messages, newsletters, reports,
> evaluation forms, handbook, etc)
Yes, I've used meetings, email, mailing list, books, telegram, ...
> 6. What are the purposes of each of these mechanisms of communication?
>
The answer is obvious. Meetings to find people in a physical place,
mailing list to comunicate to many people in an asynchonous, irc to
share ideas in a synchronous way, etc.
> 7. How do new members learn about the mechanisms of communication and
> how to use them?
>
In general, a newbie learns GNU/Emacs using Emacs. Although you can read
the Emacs Manual, or receiving a class.
> 8. Are there any shared texts or mechanisms for communication that you
> think are not working well? What do you see as the problem?
>
All is ok
> 9. What are some examples of specialized language that the group members
> use in their conversation and written communication? (examples:
> acronyms, slang, specialized terms that “outsiders” might not understand)
>
https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Glossary
> 10. How do you help new members learn the specialized language of the
> community?
>
There are many ways depending the person and my motivation.
>
> Hopefully that helps clarify what I'll be asking about.
>
>
> Thomas Ingram
> Michigan Technological University
> Computer Science
Thomas, I've a little article about my experience with emacs-es in
spanish. If you are interested I can attach you.
Regards
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* Re: Conducting Research on FOSS communities
2018-11-12 21:03 ` Thomas Ingram
2018-11-14 1:04 ` David Arroyo Menendez
@ 2018-11-28 2:41 ` Jean Louis
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From: Jean Louis @ 2018-11-28 2:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas Ingram; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Dear Thomas,
FOSS is not same as free software.
Free Software is the original movement, so to
learn more about it, read:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
Open Source is not free software, it is quite
different movement supporting more the vendors
rather than users. Open source software need not
be necessarily free software in terms of liberty.
You may see here a list of non-free software
licenses:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#NonFreeSoftwareLicenses
and many of those non-free software licenses are
issued for "open source" which is very vague term.
For th eFOSS term, I don't know who invented that
but is also misleading because the context "free
and open source" may refer to "charge" and not
liberty as intended.
GNU Emacs is written by Richard Stallman initially
as free software.
In general free software supporters are working
together with "open source" community, both are
supporting each other in practice.
Let me answer questions from my side.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 04:03:44PM -0500, Thomas Ingram wrote:
>
> On 11/12/18 1:23 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
> > "Willing to answer some questions" can depend on the
> > questions. Maybe you can post the questions somewhere
> > and ask people to get in touch with you if they want
> > to participate?
>
> Yes, good point, I can provide you with the approved questions:
>
> Note: “community” refers to the FOSS community and the GNU Emacs community
> specifically.
GNU Emacs community is not FOSS community, it is
not the same.
The Free Software Foundation may have its members
list.
Mailing list may have its members. Yet it is open
for everybody to write to the list without being a
member.
There are in general no definite members lists and
nobody asks who is who, because we help each
other, but GNU Emacs lists on GNU.org is
definitely not an FOSS community, yet it does not
mean anybody supporting FOSS would be excluded
from participating ever. In fact it is not looked
upon.
Please read the article:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html.en
and also note that Emacs is hosted on GNU.org
website:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> 1. Describe your role in this community.
Just an active GNU Emacs user supporting others to
use free software.
> 2. How long have you been a part of this
> community?
Since I know Emacs, since 1999.
> 3. Why are you involved in this community?
I am supporter of free software, help others solve
problems, and find solutions for myself.
> 4. What would you say are the shared goals of your community? (Why does this
> group exist? What does it do?)
It was formed by Free Software Foundation
https://www.fsf.org to gather and help users to
use free software, such as GNU Emacs. There are
many other mailing lists here:
http://lists.gnu.org/
> 5. What mechanisms do members use to communicate with each other? (examples:
> meetings, email, text messages, newsletters, reports, evaluation forms,
> handbook, etc)
That is email mailing list. There are also
newsletters with announcements, also sent to
mailing list. There are handbooks on GNU Emacs,
and there is IRC channel #emacs just as you can
see various support channels on GNU Emacs website.
> 6. What are the purposes of each of these
> mechanisms of communication?
To advance free software. Each member may have its
own individual purpose.
> 7. How do new members learn about the mechanisms of communication and how to
> use them?
In regards to GNU Emacs they learn it from the
website http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ and
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/documentation.html
and from the Help menu within the software and
www.gnu.org website, YouTube videos and many other
places.
> 8. Are there any shared texts or mechanisms for
> communication that you think are not working
> well? What do you see as the problem?
This mailing list is self-evidencing truth that it
works, if it works well or not is very subjective
opinion.
> 9. What are some examples of specialized language that the group members use
> in their conversation and written communication? (examples: acronyms, slang,
> specialized terms that “outsiders” might not
> understand)
You may start with GNU -- meaning GNU is Not Unix,
the name of operating system, and GNU Emacs is
part of it. https://www.gnu.org and there is
plethora of other terms.
> 10. How do you help new members learn the specialized language of the
> community?
Through the Help menu in GNU Emacs software and
websites.
Jean Louis
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