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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216714 Archived-At: > On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:55, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >=20 > 500 (roughly) packages is a lot of packages, and checking them by hand > would be a fair amount of work. The only way to check so many = packages > efficiently is with tools. >=20 > But we don't need to study 500 packages to understand the _general > causes_ for which packages show up as "unlicensed". >=20 > I propose that people pick 10 of these packages, perhaps randomly, and > study each of the 10 by hand. Does it have any license that the > existing tools did not notice? If so, is there a way to fix them to > notice that license? Was it a typo in the licence notice? >=20 > Or was that package simply published with no license? >=20 > 10 packages is a much smaller task. Small enough, I think, that there > is no need to worry about making any special tools. It's enough to > look at the source files. >=20 > Once we understand what KINDS of problems appear among these > "unlicensed" packages, I expect it will be clear what questions to > pose for the other 500 or so "unlicensed" packages, and easy enough to > write automatic tools to characterize almost all of them. >=20 > Wha do you think of this approach? That's an easy and useful task that can be handled by beginning = contributors. Could experienced people provide the list of packages 500+ = that we need to pick 10 from ? Jean-Christophe=20=