From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:33:00 -0700 Message-ID: <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com><7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com><23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi><23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi><39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243204408 25401 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2009 22:33:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:33:28 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 00:33:21 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8MFb-00020N-8T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:33:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34545 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8MFa-0003p8-CO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8MFT-0003of-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8MFO-0003oR-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51906 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8MFO-0003oO-AB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:32:50 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:35440) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8MFN-00029o-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:32:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4OMWUf0032007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:32:32 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4OMWmM5020412 for ; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:32:48 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 24 May 2009 15:32:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> Thread-Index: AcnXLwEu7naMyMJLScGynd/BYPiUuQFh+Jnw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4A19CB0C.02E6:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111044 Archived-At: I'm coming back to this thread because I just tried the new pretest (23.0.94.1), where the default value of `line-move-visual' is t. This is insane, IMO. The default value is t even in formatted modes such as Buffer Menu and Info. It is t even in code modes such as Emacs-Lisp. If you use `define-derived-mode' to define a new mode from scratch - a mode that has no parent mode, it has value t in that mode. It has value t everywhere, by default. This makes no sense. If you absolutely feel the need to make the default value be t for modes such as text-mode, which (you are convinced) are likely to benefit from it, then do so. But PLEASE leave the rest of Emacs alone, by default. This is a bad choice for Emacs - please reconsider this.