* gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
@ 2004-02-13 15:46 Alan Mackenzie
2004-02-13 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2004-02-13 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Something strange is happening to the Message-Id: of some of the articles
in gnu.emacs.bug the Newsgroup. For example, in the short thread
initiated by Jari Aalto "Subject: 21.3 move-to-column goes not go to the
column (discards symbols)", the Message-Id: of the opening article is
<mailman.1657.1075547466.928.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
. However, Andreas Schwab's followup to this article contains the
following header:
References: <oesktlat.fsf@blue.sea.net>
. I don't know how this is happening, or why it's happening, but because
of it, threads don't thread when viewed in a newsreader. In this thread,
it's not so much a problem because it only has three articles anyway.
But in, for example, the longer thread (15 articles) "inconsistent
bindings of backspace and delete between X and xterm" started by Dale
Hagglund, there is (to my newsreader) simply a partially ordered list of
articles, not a thread.
This peculiarity with References: not matching their predecessors'
Message-Id:s is anything but rare in g.e.b., and it's irritating. It
looks like a bug to me (though I'd be happy enough to be told that my
setup's broken, and what I need to do to mend it).
Could somebody please enlighten me on this issue?
--
Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany)
Email: aacm@muuc.dee; to decode, wherever there is a repeated letter
(like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 15:46 gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up Alan Mackenzie
@ 2004-02-13 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-02-13 21:08 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2004-02-13 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
[I'm not sure this list is a good place to talk about this.]
> Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:46:53 +0100
> From: Alan Mackenzie <none@example.invalid>
> Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:45:10 +0000
>
> Something strange is happening to the Message-Id: of some of the articles
> in gnu.emacs.bug the Newsgroup. For example, in the short thread
> initiated by Jari Aalto "Subject: 21.3 move-to-column goes not go to the
> column (discards symbols)", the Message-Id: of the opening article is
>
> <mailman.1657.1075547466.928.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>
> . However, Andreas Schwab's followup to this article contains the
> following header:
>
> References: <oesktlat.fsf@blue.sea.net>
I suspect that the articles whose Message-Id includes `mailman' come
from the mailing list bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, which is managed by
mailman.
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-02-13 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
` (2 more replies)
2004-02-13 21:08 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 3 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2004-02-13 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> I suspect that the articles whose Message-Id includes `mailman' come
> from the mailing list bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, which is managed by
^^^^^^^
mangled
> mailman.
By what right does mailman change a message's Message-Id header?
--
Kevin Rodgers
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2004-02-13 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-02-14 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-02-14 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2004-02-13 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > I suspect that the articles whose Message-Id includes `mailman' come
> > from the mailing list bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, which is managed by
> ^^^^^^^
> mangled
> > mailman.
>
> By what right does mailman change a message's Message-Id header?
It doesn't, the mailing list keeps the correct Message-Ids.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de
SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-02-13 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2004-02-14 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-02-14 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2004-02-14 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
> From: Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:34:58 -0700
>
> By what right does mailman change a message's Message-Id header?
Don't kill the messenger ;-)
I just hypothesized about the possible cause, but have no idea how the
mail-to-news gateway works within mailman.
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-02-13 21:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-02-14 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2004-02-14 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2004-02-14 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs
> From: Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:34:58 -0700
>
> By what right does mailman change a message's Message-Id header?
Don't kill the messenger ;-)
I just hypothesized about the possible cause, but have no idea how the
mail-to-news gateway works.
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* Re: gnu.emacs.bug newsgroup: Message-Id: getting fouled up
2004-02-13 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-02-13 19:34 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2004-02-13 21:08 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2004-02-13 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: gnu-emacs-bug
"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@elta.co.il> writes:
> I suspect that the articles whose Message-Id includes `mailman' come
> from the mailing list bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, which is managed by
> mailman.
It's probably the mail-to-news gateway that is rewriting the Message-Id
(I'm reading the mailing list, not the newsgroup). My article in the
newsgroup has Message-ID:
<mailman.1663.1075568891.928.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, but the mail I sent
to bug-gnu-emacs@ actually had Message-ID: <jen084cavz.fsf@sykes.suse.de>.
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de
SuSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."
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