From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <661f3a80-cdaf-47f0-a096-4be744409150@default> References: <83vbbe9j7k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442178746 16769 80.91.229.3 (13 Sep 2015 21:12:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 23:12:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZG-0003h5-QL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:12:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37181 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZG-0007uU-45 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43473) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZB-0007tR-Pz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:12:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZ8-0001VW-Iw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZ8-0001VS-GL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEZ8-0007vc-0D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:12:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D21472.144217867230414 (code D ref 21472); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2015 21:11:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59325 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEYJ-0007uT-TY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:11:12 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:49561) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbEYH-0007uL-QF for 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:11:10 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t8DLB8JJ016426 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:11:09 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8DLB8fZ019779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:11:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t8DLB7Dx003821; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:11:07 GMT In-Reply-To: <83vbbe9j7k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106497 Archived-At: > > In addition to converting various representations of non-ASCII > > characters, a coding system can perform end-of-line conversion. Emacs > > handles three different conventions for how to separate lines in a > > file: newline ("unix"), carriage-return linefeed ("dos"), and just > > carriage-return ("mac"). > > > > Why curly double-quotes here? >=20 > These are literal strings, so they are quoted. Literal for what purpose? What is being quoted? None of those "strings" of text is used normally without capitalization. And if they are in fact supposed to be "strings" in the programming sense then straight ASCII double-quotes are what we use (in the rest of the manual). Search for such curly double quotes, and you will not, I think, find other such occurrences. The other occurrences are of terms that we introduce (e.g., define). This is *not* a general problem. It is not about the use of curly double-quotes in, for example, the copyright statement (e.g., =E2=80=9CYou have the freedom to copy and modify this GNU manual. Buying copies from the FSF supports it in developing GNU and promoting software freedom.=E2=80=9D). > > Either those quoted names are supposed > > to be Lisp strings or they are proper names. In the latter case they > > should not be quoted at all, and they should be properly capitalized. > > In the former case (which is what I'm guessing is meant), plain ASCII > > double-quote chars should be used. >=20 > Latest versions of makeinfo convert ``...'' into =E2=80=9C...=E2=80=9D. So these particular occurrences of ``...'' were also incorrect previously. > That's life, you should get used to it. It won't go away, > no matter how many "bug reports" you will file for that. You are apparently fighting a phantom. I've even modified my own Info enhancements so they fontify the text between such curly double-quotes. In a separate face, because the quoted text does not have the same meaning as that enclosed in straight ASCII double-quotes (a string) or that enclosed between curly single-quotes (what was formerly `...'). The point of this bug is that those *particular* terms do not belong between curly double-quotes (IMHO). If they were ordinary text being quoted then they would be (should be) capitalized - "unix", "dos", etc. are written incorrectly for such a usage. This bug is not about other curly double-quoted text in the manual. It is specific to these terms.