bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

I spent a few hours today trying to make it work, and as far I can see multiple dictionaries support is just broken.

# Steps to reproduce

Note: for 2nd step here not to throw exception you need to make sure you have both hunspell dictionaries used in (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic …) call installed in the system.

1. Start `emacs -Q`
2. Evaluate:
    (progn
      (require 'ispell)
      (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
      (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
      (flyspell-mode 1)
      )
3. Execute in a shell `ps aux | grep hunspell`

## Expected

The `hunspell` process has argument `-d ru_RU,en_US`

## Actual

The `hunspell` process has argument `-d en_US`

## Additional information

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bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 21:33:50 +0300
> 
> # Steps to reproduce
> 
> Note: for 2nd step here not to throw exception you need to make sure you have both hunspell dictionaries used in (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic …) call installed in the system.
> 
> 1. Start `emacs -Q`
> 2. Evaluate:
>     (progn
>       (require 'ispell)
>       (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
>       (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
>       (flyspell-mode 1)
>       )

You miss this step at the end:

  (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")

It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> You miss this step at the end:
> 
>   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> 
> It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.

Thank you! Running this command results in error:

	(error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

I found a wrokaround: executing the following code *twice* makes it work:

    (progn
      (require 'ispell)
      (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
      (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
      (setq ispell-local-dictionary
            '(("ru_RU,en_US" "[[:alpha:]]" "[^[:alpha:]]" "['0-9]" t ("-d"
    "ru_RU,en_US") nil utf-8)))
      (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
      (flyspell-mode 1)
      )

So, manually creating an entry in ispell-local-dictionary makes it work. However note I emphasized "twice" word — for some readon (I don't know why) even this workaround works if you execute this code twice. On the first evaluation it always generates an error. I tried changing the order of various expressions, but so far wasn't able to make it behave always same way (not sure it really matters though as it's just a a workaround).

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:05:55 +0300
> 
> On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > 
> > You miss this step at the end:
> > 
> >   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> > 
> > It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.
> 
> Thank you! Running this command results in error:
> 
> 	(error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")

Strange.  Here, it doesn't error out.  I did this:

  M-x flyspell-mode RET
  M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
  M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET

And I don't get any errors, and flyspell-mode works for both Russian
and English.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> > Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:05:55 +0300
> > 
> > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > 
> > > You miss this step at the end:
> > > 
> > >   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> > > 
> > > It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.
> > 
> > Thank you! Running this command results in error:
> > 
> >         (error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")
> 
> Strange.  Here, it doesn't error out.  I did this:
> 
>   M-x flyspell-mode RET
>   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
>   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> 
> And I don't get any errors, and flyspell-mode works for both Russian
> and English.

Thank you! With a little modification for steps to be:

  M-x flyspell-mode RET
  M-: (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
  M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
  M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET

this worked for me! Hmm, let me try to experiment with that a bit to see why it
didn't work for me non-interactively…

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:45 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> > > Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:05:55 +0300
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > You miss this step at the end:
> > > > 
> > > >   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> > > > 
> > > > It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.
> > > 
> > > Thank you! Running this command results in error:
> > > 
> > >         (error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")
> > 
> > Strange.  Here, it doesn't error out.  I did this:
> > 
> >   M-x flyspell-mode RET
> >   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> >   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > 
> > And I don't get any errors, and flyspell-mode works for both Russian
> > and English.
> 
> Thank you! With a little modification for steps to be:
> 
>   M-x flyspell-mode RET
>   M-: (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
>   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
>   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> 
> this worked for me! Hmm, let me try to experiment with that a bit to see why
> it
> didn't work for me non-interactively…

Okay, so the bug seems to be in ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic function. When called interactively, then the following interactive call to (ispell-change-dictionary) has the ru_RU,en_US dictionary as a completion. However, if ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic was called non-interactively, the completion from the subsequent (ispell-change-dictionary) call seems to be missing.

Not sure though why the difference in behaviour, the "interactive" part of that function look innocent, simply (interactive "sPrompt"). Not sure what starting "s" means though.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 23:02 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:45 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> > > > Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> > > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:05:55 +0300
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > You miss this step at the end:
> > > > > 
> > > > >   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> > > > > 
> > > > > It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you! Running this command results in error:
> > > > 
> > > >         (error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")
> > > 
> > > Strange.  Here, it doesn't error out.  I did this:
> > > 
> > >   M-x flyspell-mode RET
> > >   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > >   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > > 
> > > And I don't get any errors, and flyspell-mode works for both Russian
> > > and English.
> > 
> > Thank you! With a little modification for steps to be:
> > 
> >   M-x flyspell-mode RET
> >   M-: (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
> >   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> >   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > 
> > this worked for me! Hmm, let me try to experiment with that a bit to see why
> > it
> > didn't work for me non-interactively…
> 
> Okay, so the bug seems to be in ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic function. When
> called interactively, then the following interactive call to (ispell-change-
> dictionary) has the ru_RU,en_US dictionary as a completion. However, if
> ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic was called non-interactively, the completion
> from the subsequent (ispell-change-dictionary) call seems to be missing.
> 
> Not sure though why the difference in behaviour, the "interactive" part of
> that function look innocent, simply (interactive "sPrompt"). Not sure what
> starting "s" means though.

Okay, so, I figured there's some sort of odd cooperation between (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic) and (ispell-change-dictionary) going on.

When the first is called non-interactively, interactive call to the second results in no completion for the new dict, right? So, the fun thing is that if you abort prompt afterwards, then you call (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic) again, and then you call (ispell-change-dictionary) interactively again, the prompt will have the completion.

It looks as if call to (ispell-change-dictionary) initializes some important variable required by (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic) to function properly.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 23:19 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 23:02 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:45 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 22:36 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> > > > > Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> > > > > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:05:55 +0300
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, 2021-08-28 at 21:56 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You miss this step at the end:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It tells Emacs to restart Hunspell with these two dictionaries.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you! Running this command results in error:
> > > > > 
> > > > >         (error "Undefined dictionary: ru_RU,en_US")
> > > > 
> > > > Strange.  Here, it doesn't error out.  I did this:
> > > > 
> > > >   M-x flyspell-mode RET
> > > >   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > > >   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > > > 
> > > > And I don't get any errors, and flyspell-mode works for both Russian
> > > > and English.
> > > 
> > > Thank you! With a little modification for steps to be:
> > > 
> > >   M-x flyspell-mode RET
> > >   M-: (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
> > >   M-x ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > >   M-x ispell-change-dictionary RET ru_RU,en_US RET
> > > 
> > > this worked for me! Hmm, let me try to experiment with that a bit to see
> > > why
> > > it
> > > didn't work for me non-interactively…
> > 
> > Okay, so the bug seems to be in ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic function. When
> > called interactively, then the following interactive call to (ispell-change-
> > dictionary) has the ru_RU,en_US dictionary as a completion. However, if
> > ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic was called non-interactively, the completion
> > from the subsequent (ispell-change-dictionary) call seems to be missing.
> > 
> > Not sure though why the difference in behaviour, the "interactive" part of
> > that function look innocent, simply (interactive "sPrompt"). Not sure what
> > starting "s" means though.
> 
> Okay, so, I figured there's some sort of odd cooperation between (ispell-
> hunspell-add-multi-dic) and (ispell-change-dictionary) going on.
> 
> When the first is called non-interactively, interactive call to the second
> results in no completion for the new dict, right? So, the fun thing is that if
> you abort prompt afterwards, then you call (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic)
> again, and then you call (ispell-change-dictionary) interactively again, the
> prompt will have the completion.
> 
> It looks as if call to (ispell-change-dictionary) initializes some important
> variable required by (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic) to function properly.

…and, the function that needs to be called before (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US") is (ispell-valid-dictionary-list)

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

Okay, I finally found the working combination, it is:

    (progn
      (require 'ispell)
      (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
      (ispell-set-spellchecker-params)
      (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
      (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
      (flyspell-mode 1)
      )

So, the magical function is `(ispell-set-spellchecker-params)`. Judging by its description, it has to be called before any ispell usage.

I can probably call it manually, but I presume the behaviour needs fixing.

I think perhaps, should ispell have a global variable like `ispell-initialized`, which then would be set in (ispell-set-spellchecker-params). And then the variable would be checked in `ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic`, and if it wasn't set, throw an exception "Ispell wasn't initialized. Please call `(ispell-set-spellchecker-params)'"?

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:42:08 +0300
> 
> Okay, I finally found the working combination, it is:
> 
>     (progn
>       (require 'ispell)
>       (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
>       (ispell-set-spellchecker-params)
>       (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
>       (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
>       (flyspell-mode 1)
>       )
> 
> So, the magical function is `(ispell-set-spellchecker-params)`. Judging by its description, it has to be called before any ispell usage.
> 
> I can probably call it manually, but I presume the behaviour needs fixing.

I'm not sure I agree.  These are commands that are supposed to be
invoked interactively, in the order I've shown, which works.  If you
want to make this part of your initialization, you need to figure out
the required sequence of calls, which you did.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Sun, 2021-08-29 at 09:12 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> > Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:42:08 +0300
> > 
> > Okay, I finally found the working combination, it is:
> > 
> >     (progn
> >       (require 'ispell)
> >       (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
> >       (ispell-set-spellchecker-params)
> >       (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
> >       (ispell-change-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
> >       (flyspell-mode 1)
> >       )
> > 
> > So, the magical function is `(ispell-set-spellchecker-params)`. Judging by
> > its description, it has to be called before any ispell usage.
> > 
> > I can probably call it manually, but I presume the behaviour needs fixing.
> 
> I'm not sure I agree.  These are commands that are supposed to be
> invoked interactively, in the order I've shown, which works.  If you
> want to make this part of your initialization, you need to figure out
> the required sequence of calls, which you did.

Would you agree if I say that a good user interface means that a function invoked interactively should behave same way when it's invoked non-interactively (barring the fact that it won't show the prompt)? I would say that the answer is yes, otherwise it is very confusing.

So I would say, at least the (ispell-set-spellchecker-params) needs to be added into one of them, so the same order as if they were called interactively would work when they are invoked from a Emacs Lisp file.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
> Cc: 50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 15:43:30 +0300
> 
> > I'm not sure I agree.  These are commands that are supposed to be
> > invoked interactively, in the order I've shown, which works.  If you
> > want to make this part of your initialization, you need to figure out
> > the required sequence of calls, which you did.
> 
> Would you agree if I say that a good user interface means that a function invoked interactively should behave same way when it's invoked non-interactively (barring the fact that it won't show the prompt)?

No, I don't agree.  And neither does Emacs: the 'interactive' form is
not necessarily a no-op.  As a trivial example, consider:

  describe-char is an autoloaded interactive compiled Lisp function in
  ‘descr-text.el’.

  (describe-char POS &optional BUFFER)

    Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 22.1.

  Describe position POS (interactively, point) and the char after POS.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As you see, there's some magic happening in interactive invocations
that doesn't happen when you call this function from Lisp.

A less trivial example:

  previous-line is an interactive compiled Lisp function in ‘simple.el’.

  It is bound to C-p, <up>.

  (previous-line &optional ARG TRY-VSCROLL)

    This function is for interactive use only;
    in Lisp code use `forward-line' with negative argument instead.

  Move cursor vertically up ARG lines.
  Interactively, vscroll tall lines if ‘auto-window-vscroll’ is enabled.
  Non-interactively, use TRY-VSCROLL to control whether to vscroll tall
  lines: if either ‘auto-window-vscroll’ or TRY-VSCROLL is nil, this
  function will not vscroll.

Again, the behavior in interactive and non-interactive calls is
different.

> So I would say, at least the (ispell-set-spellchecker-params) needs to be added into one of them, so the same order as if they were called interactively would work when they are invoked from a Emacs Lisp file.

Maybe, I need to think about it.  But the general principle still
stands: it is okay for interactive and non-interactive invocations to
behave differently.  We do it all the time in Emacs.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Would you agree if I say that a good user interface means that a
>> function invoked interactively should behave same way when it's
>> invoked non-interactively (barring the fact that it won't show the
>> prompt)?
>
> No, I don't agree.

Well, it should be possible to set up multiple dictionaries without
using `M-x'.  So something here should be fixed, in my opinion.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>,  50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:50:10 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> Would you agree if I say that a good user interface means that a
> >> function invoked interactively should behave same way when it's
> >> invoked non-interactively (barring the fact that it won't show the
> >> prompt)?
> >
> > No, I don't agree.
> 
> Well, it should be possible to set up multiple dictionaries without
> using `M-x'.

It is already possible, see the recipe up-thread.

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Well, it should be possible to set up multiple dictionaries without
>> using `M-x'.
>
> It is already possible, see the recipe up-thread.

Right.  But it should be documented -- I think
mentioning `ispell-set-spellchecker-params' is what's missing.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

bug#50241: flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: hi-angel@yandex.ru,  50241@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:27:28 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> Well, it should be possible to set up multiple dictionaries without
> >> using `M-x'.
> >
> > It is already possible, see the recipe up-thread.
> 
> Right.  But it should be documented -- I think
> mentioning `ispell-set-spellchecker-params' is what's missing.

OK, I made such a change in the doc string of
ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic, and I'm therefore closing this bug
report.

bug#50241: Acknowledgement (flyspell doesn't work with multiple dictionaries)

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

Alright, partially I made it to work: adding a line `(setq ispell-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")` as in:

    (progn
      (require 'ispell)
      (setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
      (ispell-hunspell-add-multi-dic "ru_RU,en_US")
      (setq ispell-dictionary "ru_RU,en_US")
      (flyspell-mode 1)
      )

Launches the process with correct args. However, in this case running `(flyspell-mode 1)` ends up with an error

Error in post-command-hook (flyspell-post-command-hook): (error "No data for dictionary \"ru_RU,en_US\" in ‘ispell-local-dictionary-alist’ or ‘ispell-dictionary-alist’")

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