From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Manuel Uberti Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Clojure mode Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:24:31 +0200 Message-ID: <6483d2bc-607e-17f8-b326-36d4c29fbe2f@inventati.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <87h6omuvbz.fsf@posteo.net> <87sf85x5s7.fsf@dfreeman.email> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37480"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Cc: Richard Stallman , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Danny Freeman , Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 26 17:25:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qZvAZ-0009X6-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:25:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZv9a-0003FT-Gr; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZv9Y-0003F1-M7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from latitanza.investici.org ([82.94.249.234]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZv9V-0000hZ-Ji; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mx3.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by latitanza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RY0wx0P1FzGp6x; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:24:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1693063473; bh=3Hgzcu6GgnujShEncrZS5WI+4j6orSzQlu9KP4SrXrA=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=KNQDe48f39hPiAfQOLUQTp7CODUrwqHfaDoALARzOt8EGr5HSgg4hf7DXeh/Tuq+X IXufFS1SSriAvd05Bf5zbx1vQIys8C3H4K+IO2unQ76+9uSAo5gWzuO9ahtBOONswC DhHMEgpa0/Vm3qlR3j65ZudK5Ijwgd7O8TTwaPuw= Original-Received: from [82.94.249.234] (mx3.investici.org [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: manuel.uberti@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RY0ww65hDzGp59; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Content-Language: en-GB, it In-Reply-To: <87sf85x5s7.fsf@dfreeman.email> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=82.94.249.234; envelope-from=manuel.uberti@inventati.org; helo=latitanza.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -36 X-Spam_score: -3.7 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.57, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309257 Archived-At: On 26/08/23 15:48, Danny Freeman wrote: > To further re-iterate how much of a non-problem this is, the most recent > survey done of Clojure developers found that 42% use Emacs as their > primary development environment. If not being available out of the box > was such a big issue for users of clojure-mode, then that number would > not be so high. My 2c. Personally I am glad that all the people behind clojure-mode and CIDER decided to made their work available on NonGNU ELPA a while ago, just as I am happy clojure-ts-mode is available there. I have always thought that NonGNU ELPA was a way to cope with issues such as this: people wanting to share their work (and considerable amount of time) on Emacs with others but not willing for whatever reason to go one step further and try GNU ELPA or even Emacs core. Considering the popularity of clojure-mode (and CIDER) and with NonGNU ELPA being readily available, why is it so important to invest time and effort on re-creating a major mode? Put otherwise, should moving packages on NonGNU ELPA be considered sort of a temporary stage in the lifetime of a given package? -- Manuel Uberti https://manueluberti.eu