From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs doesn't use the X clipboard Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:41:23 +0200 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <6480-Sat17Jan2004204123+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> References: <20040111002614.GM6119@luna.mooo.com> <87fzekv3xc.fsf@newsguy.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074365291 6496 80.91.224.253 (17 Jan 2004 18:48:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 17 19:48:07 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AhvUM-0008F8-00 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:48:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhvU2-0005fT-9y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:47:46 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AhvTW-0005Wk-6H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:47:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AhvSy-00058C-SE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:47:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.18] (helo=bilbo.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhvRJ-0004Bl-14 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:44:57 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski ([80.230.159.164]) by bilbo.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.8-GR) with ESMTP id CFT97638; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:44:53 +0200 (IST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: (message from LEE Sau Dan on 14 Jan 2004 22:40:01 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:16124 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:16124 > From: LEE Sau Dan > Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help > Date: 14 Jan 2004 22:40:01 +0100 > > >>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I'm not sure if ltrace can show the Xlib calls, though. > > Eli> I doubt that. And debugging with ltrace or similar tools is > Eli> not a very efficient method, anyway, compared to stepping > Eli> with GDB thru the source code. IMHO, ltrace is for the > Eli> software to which you don't have the sources. > > I don't agree. I guess we have different experience to draw upon, then. My experience tells me that trace interpretation is a painstakingly slow process, compared to stepping with a debugger. It also requires lots of knowledge of system internals, which many programmers lack. By contrast, getting the sources and rebuilding with debug info is nowadays a matter of several dozen minutes.