From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12419: Mouse click changes layout Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:40:35 -0700 Message-ID: <646E419BC4D542A28891D407B84CE6FE@us.oracle.com> References: <504FB55D.5030405@t-online.de> <5050432C.4060203@gmx.at><5052450F.8030001@t-online.de> <5052F242.4060303@gmx.at><83a9wsvqk6.fsf@gnu.org> <50533344.2030000@gmx.at> <1455E2776C3F46FCB324B5562F718569@us.oracle.com> <5053485E.70801@gmx.at> <50538224.1020607@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347651742 10432 80.91.229.3 (14 Sep 2012 19:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: occitan@esperanto.org, 12419@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'martin rudalics'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 21:42:25 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbmS-0007uc-7o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:42:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50909 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbmO-0004Vc-G2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58470) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbmF-0004QR-8f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbm8-0007B3-37 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbm7-0007As-UN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbn4-00025J-66 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12419 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12419-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12419.13476517237931 (code B ref 12419); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12419) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2012 19:42:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TCbm6-00023i-Bk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:43994) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TCblp-00023E-Mi for 12419@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:42:01 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q8EJehcL013787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:40:44 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8EJeg5g020337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:40:42 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8EJefrN018362; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:40:41 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.182.71) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:40:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <50538224.1020607@gmx.at> Thread-Index: Ac2SrTwqFpJ2MlqdTdK2RIX7osy8AQAAizww X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64313 Archived-At: > If you have a copy of Emacs 19 or 20 around you will notice that other > windows did shrink too. No, I don't see that in Emacs 20 (I don't have 19). I not only have a copy of it hanging around, I use it much of the time! > The "shrink only the adjacent > window" behavior you mention was introduced together with > `adjust-window-trailing-edge'. Maybe, but in Emacs 20 I still see only the adjacent window shrink. I'm on MS Windows - dunno whether that make a difference. GNU Emacs 20.7.3 (i386-*-nt5.1.2600) of Thu Dec 21 2000 on buffy > But this function is not very suitable for the minibuffer. > > Consider proposing something for emacs-devel to discuss. > > Was the change in behavior from Emacs 23 to 24 (the change > > made so far) ever discussed? > > Partially. Most of them were the results of attempting to fix errors. > But I have to admit that I never understood the old code > completely so I couldn't even tell what has changed and how. It would be good to present the alternative behaviors to people in emacs-devel (and maybe even help-gnu-emacs), so they can make an informed choice. And it might be good to let end users have a choice (e.g., via an option), if that's feasible. > > Personally I don't care much, since I don't split windows > > that much. But this sounds like something that affects lots > > of users, and perhaps there should be some discussion about it. > > There should have been more testing before the release. But I wasn't > very good at advertising my branch then. It's not likely that a branch will be tried by many Windows users who don't build Emacs themselves. Before inclusion in a release, a change should be available in a pretest (prerelease version), and users can test it there. But perhaps there was not enough pretest time. I believe that pretests used to be longer in the old days. For another thing, users of a pretest should be informed (at least via NEWS, and preferably on emacs-devel by anyone who wants something specific tested during pretest) about new features to be tested.