* I wrote a mini manual for Emacs @ 2014-06-16 5:24 Tu Do 2014-06-16 13:34 ` Tim Visher ` (5 more replies) 0 siblings, 6 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tu Do @ 2014-06-16 5:24 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs Hi everyone, I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it fully. I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses of Emacs, please tell me. Thanks ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 5:24 I wrote a mini manual for Emacs Tu Do @ 2014-06-16 13:34 ` Tim Visher 2014-06-16 13:52 ` Tu Do [not found] ` <mailman.3750.1402925697.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> ` (4 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Tim Visher @ 2014-06-16 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw To: Tu Do; +Cc: emacs On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Tu Do <tuhdo1710@gmail.com> wrote: > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > fully. > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses > of Emacs, please tell me. That's quite an effort. Are you aware of the tutorial? `M-x help-with-tutorial` ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 13:34 ` Tim Visher @ 2014-06-16 13:52 ` Tu Do 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tu Do @ 2014-06-16 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw To: Tim Visher; +Cc: emacs I do know. That's where I start learning Emacs. However, the tutorial does not cover many other important things in Emacs. Read the section "Why this guide?" in my tutorial for more details. On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Tim Visher <tim.visher@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Tu Do <tuhdo1710@gmail.com> wrote: > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It > provides > > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: > Why > > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > > fully. > > > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report > it > > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic > uses > > of Emacs, please tell me. > > That's quite an effort. Are you aware of the tutorial? `M-x > help-with-tutorial` > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs [not found] ` <mailman.3750.1402925697.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-16 14:26 ` Rusi 2014-06-16 14:49 ` Tim Visher 2014-06-16 15:51 ` tuhdo1710 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Rusi @ 2014-06-16 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:04:10 PM UTC+5:30, Tim Visher wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Tu Do wrote: > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > > fully. > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it > > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses > > of Emacs, please tell me. > That's quite an effort. Are you aware of the tutorial? `M-x help-with-tutorial` +10 Good work -- thanks for the efforts! How do you make the animated gifs? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 14:26 ` Rusi @ 2014-06-16 14:49 ` Tim Visher 2014-06-16 15:51 ` tuhdo1710 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tim Visher @ 2014-06-16 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw To: Rusi; +Cc: emacs On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:04:10 PM UTC+5:30, Tim Visher wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Tu Do wrote: >> > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with >> > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides >> > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why >> > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it >> > fully. >> > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to >> > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it >> > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses >> > of Emacs, please tell me. > >> That's quite an effort. Are you aware of the tutorial? `M-x help-with-tutorial` > > +10 > > Good work -- thanks for the efforts! > > How do you make the animated gifs? LICEcap is one tool that does it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 14:26 ` Rusi 2014-06-16 14:49 ` Tim Visher @ 2014-06-16 15:51 ` tuhdo1710 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: tuhdo1710 @ 2014-06-16 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs On Monday, June 16, 2014 9:26:41 PM UTC+7, Rusi wrote: > On Monday, June 16, 2014 7:04:10 PM UTC+5:30, Tim Visher wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Tu Do wrote: > > > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > > > > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > > > > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > > > > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > > > > fully. > > > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > > > > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it > > > > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses > > > > of Emacs, please tell me. > > > > > That's quite an effort. Are you aware of the tutorial? `M-x help-with-tutorial` > > > > +10 > > > > Good work -- thanks for the efforts! > > > > How do you make the animated gifs? Thanks. Glad you like it. I made the GIFs using byzanz-record: http://askubuntu.com/a/123515/13847 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 5:24 I wrote a mini manual for Emacs Tu Do 2014-06-16 13:34 ` Tim Visher [not found] ` <mailman.3750.1402925697.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-16 15:14 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.3754.1402931683.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> ` (2 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-06-16 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw To: Tu Do; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Tu Do <tuhdo1710@gmail.com> writes: > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > fully. This looks nice -- the Org-mode unicorn in the bottom right corner is a bit confusing though, can you remove it? (Otherwise, no problem of course to reuse Worg's CSS.) Thanks for writing this, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs [not found] ` <mailman.3754.1402931683.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-16 15:55 ` tuhdo1710 2014-06-16 22:08 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.3786.1402956500.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: tuhdo1710 @ 2014-06-16 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs On Monday, June 16, 2014 10:14:25 PM UTC+7, Bastien wrote: > Tu Do <tuhdo1710@gmail.com> writes: > > > > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > > > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > > > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > > > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > > > fully. > > > > This looks nice -- the Org-mode unicorn in the bottom right corner is > > a bit confusing though, can you remove it? (Otherwise, no problem of > > course to reuse Worg's CSS.) > > > > Thanks for writing this, > > > > -- > > Bastien Sure, I will try to find a way to remove it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 15:55 ` tuhdo1710 @ 2014-06-16 22:08 ` Bastien 2014-06-17 2:33 ` Tu Do [not found] ` <mailman.3786.1402956500.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-06-16 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: tuhdo1710; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs tuhdo1710@gmail.com writes: > Sure, I will try to find a way to remove it. You need to remove this line background-image: url(http://orgmode.org/img/org-mode-unicorn-logo-worg.png); from this file http://tuhdo.github.io/static/worg.css Hope this helps, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 22:08 ` Bastien @ 2014-06-17 2:33 ` Tu Do 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tu Do @ 2014-06-17 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs Thanks Bastien, I thought it was made from CSS, so I haven't looked at it until I have time. The unicorn is removed now. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs [not found] ` <mailman.3786.1402956500.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-17 5:55 ` Rusi 2014-06-17 7:02 ` solidius4747 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Rusi @ 2014-06-17 5:55 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:38:05 AM UTC+5:30, Bastien wrote: > Tu Do writes: > > Sure, I will try to find a way to remove it. > You need to remove this line > background-image: url(http://orgmode.org/img/org-mode-unicorn-logo-worg.png); > from this file > http://tuhdo.github.io/static/worg.css > Hope this helps, And of course it would be neat to put a note somewhere (at end maybe?) saying that: viz. that the nifty auto appear/hide contents etc comes from org mode's css. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-17 5:55 ` Rusi @ 2014-06-17 7:02 ` solidius4747 2014-06-17 17:05 ` solidius4747 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: solidius4747 @ 2014-06-17 7:02 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs Vào 12:55:47 UTC+7 Thứ ba, ngày 17 tháng sáu năm 2014, Rusi đã viết: > On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:38:05 AM UTC+5:30, Bastien wrote: > > > Tu Do writes: > > > > > > Sure, I will try to find a way to remove it. > > > > > You need to remove this line > > > > > background-image: url(http://orgmode.org/img/org-mode-unicorn-logo-worg.png); > > > > > from this file > > > > > http://tuhdo.github.io/static/worg.css > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > And of course it would be neat to put a note somewhere (at end maybe?) > > saying that: > > > > viz. that the nifty auto appear/hide contents etc comes from org > > mode's css. I did put in Conclusion part. Or maybe you meant at the very bottom of the page? I remember there is a feature to append thing at the bottom when publish to HTML from Org files. I will find it out. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-17 7:02 ` solidius4747 @ 2014-06-17 17:05 ` solidius4747 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: solidius4747 @ 2014-06-17 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs I add more content and move the section for browsing Linux kernel to the end of the guide. I think it will be clearer after people master basic concpets. I turned the demo (with the purpose of impressing people with Emacs) into a project, so people can put together the concepts they learned for practical things like large source code management. Probably it would be more useful if many "Projects" like this are added. I will think more about this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 5:24 I wrote a mini manual for Emacs Tu Do ` (3 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <mailman.3754.1402931683.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-16 18:11 ` MBR 2014-06-17 2:37 ` Tu Do ` (2 more replies) [not found] ` <mailman.3768.1402942300.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 5 siblings, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: MBR @ 2014-06-16 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw To: Tu Do, help-gnu-emacs Good work! I'd like to say something about the section ""I don't want a complicated 'editor', I want something simple like Notepad(++)" in which you talk about IDEs. When I started using Emacs (after about 10 years of using vi), I immediately noticed that Emacs was very different from any other editor I'd ever worked with. With all other editors, I'd use them for editing text and do everything else from a shell prompt. But once I started using Emacs I started telling people, "Emacs isn't an editor, it's a way of life!" What I meant by that was that I found I was starting up a single instance of Emacs in the morning, and virtually everything I did the rest of the day was done inside Emacs. If I needed to run a shell command, I'd do that inside an Emacs shell buffer because that way the command's output was automatically captured in the buffer and I could then use it like any other text - comparing it to other things with compare-window, searching for regular expressions in the output, saving some interesting portion of the output by simply copying it to a file, etc., etc. Besides being able to run a shell inside the "editor", you could run your compiler and linker straight from Emacs and have it parse and highlight any errors; you could debug your code inside Emacs with gdb and later gud, and have many added benefits over running gdb directly from the shell. One of those benefits is having it show you the source code, including a pointer showing what line of code you're about to execute. The bottom line is that Emacs actually is an IDE, not merely a text editor. It just happens to be an IDE that works on a dumb terminal. As a matter of fact, it's the original IDE! It existed before any of the GUI-style IDEs existed, and many features commonly found in IDEs were copied from Emacs. So, it wouldn't hurt to emphasize at the beginning of your Mini Manual that Emacs should not be thought of as an editor. It is a software development environment with powerful text editing capabilities. And it's much more than even that! Mark Rosenthal On 6/16/14 1:24 AM, Tu Do wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > fully. > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses > of Emacs, please tell me. > > Thanks > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 18:11 ` MBR @ 2014-06-17 2:37 ` Tu Do [not found] ` <mailman.3803.1402972638.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2014-06-17 3:59 ` Yuri Khan 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tu Do @ 2014-06-17 2:37 UTC (permalink / raw To: MBR; +Cc: emacs Well, I did in the section "Why Emacs?" at the beginning, emphasized that Emacs is not a mere editor but a programming platform and has relation to Lisp Machine. However, someone said that is not good for beginners to put non-starter stuffs there. So I moved it to the appendix. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 1:11 AM, MBR <mbr@arlsoft.com> wrote: > Good work! > > I'd like to say something about the section ""I don't want a complicated > 'editor', I want something simple like Notepad(++)" in which you talk about > IDEs. When I started using Emacs (after about 10 years of using vi), I > immediately noticed that Emacs was very different from any other editor I'd > ever worked with. With all other editors, I'd use them for editing text > and do everything else from a shell prompt. > > But once I started using Emacs I started telling people, "Emacs isn't an > editor, it's a way of life!" What I meant by that was that I found I was > starting up a single instance of Emacs in the morning, and virtually > everything I did the rest of the day was done inside Emacs. If I needed to > run a shell command, I'd do that inside an Emacs shell buffer because that > way the command's output was automatically captured in the buffer and I > could then use it like any other text - comparing it to other things with > compare-window, searching for regular expressions in the output, saving > some interesting portion of the output by simply copying it to a file, > etc., etc. > > Besides being able to run a shell inside the "editor", you could run your > compiler and linker straight from Emacs and have it parse and highlight any > errors; you could debug your code inside Emacs with gdb and later gud, and > have many added benefits over running gdb directly from the shell. One of > those benefits is having it show you the source code, including a pointer > showing what line of code you're about to execute. > > The bottom line is that Emacs actually is an IDE, not merely a text > editor. It just happens to be an IDE that works on a dumb terminal. As > a matter of fact, it's the original IDE! It existed before any of the > GUI-style IDEs existed, and many features commonly found in IDEs were > copied from Emacs. > > So, it wouldn't hurt to emphasize at the beginning of your Mini Manual > that Emacs should not be thought of as an editor. It is a software > development environment with powerful text editing capabilities. And it's > much more than even that! > > Mark Rosenthal > > On 6/16/14 1:24 AM, Tu Do wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I wrote an Emacs Mini Manual for complete beginners to be productive with > Emacs common tools without having to look all over the manual. It provides > a starting point before reading the full Emacs manual. Folow this link: Why > This Guide? <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> <http://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html#sec-2> to read it > fully. > > I hope it will be useful for new people switching to Ubuntu and want to > have a nice development environment. If you find mistakes, please report it > to me. If you think I'm missing commonly used tools or some idiomatic uses > of Emacs, please tell me. > > Thanks > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs [not found] ` <mailman.3803.1402972638.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-17 3:00 ` Rusi 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Rusi @ 2014-06-17 3:00 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:07:12 AM UTC+5:30, Tu Do wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 1:11 AM, MBR wrote: > > Good work! > > I'd like to say something about the section ""I don't want a complicated > > 'editor', I want something simple like Notepad(++)" in which you talk about > > IDEs. When I started using Emacs (after about 10 years of using vi), I > > immediately noticed that Emacs was very different from any other editor I'd > > ever worked with. With all other editors, I'd use them for editing text > > and do everything else from a shell prompt. > Well, I did in the section "Why Emacs?" at the beginning, emphasized that > Emacs is not a mere editor but a programming platform and has relation to > Lisp Machine. However, someone said that is not good for beginners to put > non-starter stuffs there. So I moved it to the appendix. I think thats a good choice. In my 20+ years of using emacs and convincing others (mostly unsuccessfully) to use it Ive found that showing emacs' power is usually a put-off more than an attraction. People say: «Look I ONLY want to do "..."! Why all this "..." » रुसि [Just to make GG behave itself!] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs 2014-06-16 18:11 ` MBR 2014-06-17 2:37 ` Tu Do [not found] ` <mailman.3803.1402972638.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-17 3:59 ` Yuri Khan 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Yuri Khan @ 2014-06-17 3:59 UTC (permalink / raw To: MBR; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Tu Do On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 1:11 AM, MBR <mbr@arlsoft.com> wrote: > So, it wouldn't hurt to emphasize at the beginning of your Mini Manual that > Emacs should not be thought of as an editor. It is a software development > environment with powerful text editing capabilities. It’s more than that — it’s a software development environment development environment, and sometimes even a software (development environment)^3 :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: I wrote a mini manual for Emacs [not found] ` <mailman.3768.1402942300.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2014-06-16 19:27 ` Barry Margolin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Barry Margolin @ 2014-06-16 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs In article <mailman.3768.1402942300.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, MBR <mbr@arlsoft.com> wrote: > So, it wouldn't hurt to emphasize at the beginning of your Mini Manual > that Emacs should not be thought of as an editor. It is a software > development environment with powerful text editing capabilities. And > it's much more than even that! There's a section at the end that discusses this. It's not clear that it needs to be emphasized at the beginning, before motivating it with an explanation of how to use Emacs in the first place. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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