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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Vitalie Spinu <spinuvit@gmail.com>
Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66: Implement buffer-widen-limits functionality
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:53:34 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6363ed53-2385-4bd2-9c3a-d2f41bfec4ff@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87poukha9x.fsf@gmail.com>

> > No.  You will get the full current Info file, which is what you
> > asked for (with `C-x n w').
> 
> I asked for original view (page, node call it as you want). Info
> gave me a buffer, I narrowed, then widened and got surprised.

One could argue that the surprise is your fault. ;-)  You asked
to widen to the full buffer, and that's what you got.  Presumably,
if you ask for that then you want the whole buffer (whatever that
might be), and in this context presumably you know what that whole
buffer is (an Info file).  If not, you shouldn't be using `C-x n w'.

> The user need not be exposed to internal implementation of Info.

Need not?  A user of `C-x n w' should have some expectation that
what s?he sees is not the full buffer, and s?he should not have
a false preconception about what the full buffer might be like.

On the other hand, if we take your view about surprise here
then the issue is more general: `C-x n w' could be surprising
in any context where Emacs narrows a buffer by default.

Taking that into account, it should perhaps be the case that
`C-x n w', just like `C-x n n', should have property `disabled'
set to non-nil by default.  That should remove your surprise.

(And it's not just an "internal implementation", IMO.  Not every
Emacs users needs to know that Info uses files and display of a
node narrows to part of a file, of course.  But that information
is available to users, and they can make use of it.)



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-24 13:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20160322022539.16038.77264@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1aiC0q-0004DL-40@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-03-22 12:08   ` [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66: Implement buffer-widen-limits functionality Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 19:44     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 19:56       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-22 22:42         ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  0:44           ` Drew Adams
2016-03-23  7:16             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-23 11:58               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 13:02                 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-23 14:17                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 15:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:24                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-23 17:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 18:53                           ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-23 21:57                             ` Drew Adams
2016-03-23 22:13                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 23:03                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-24  3:38                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-24 12:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24 15:56                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-24 18:55                                       ` Removing prog-indentation-context (was: [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66: Implement buffer-widen-limits functionality) Stefan Monnier
2016-03-25  0:53                                         ` Removing prog-indentation-context Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-25  1:29                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-25  2:09                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-25 11:38                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-26 22:29                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-03-28  1:03                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-25 15:45                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-28 21:37                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-28 22:08                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-28 22:55                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-28 23:24                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-28  1:03                                       ` [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66: Implement buffer-widen-limits functionality Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24  3:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:14                     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-24  0:03                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24  0:37                         ` Drew Adams
2016-03-24  2:36                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24 13:53                             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-03-24 13:57                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24 14:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-24 14:56                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 15:13                                     ` Drew Adams
2016-03-24 15:20                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24  7:00                         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-23 14:29                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-23 21:16                 ` A vision for multiple major modes [was: Re: [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66:] Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-23 21:58                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24 17:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-24 20:43                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 22:34                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-24 18:38                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-24 20:22                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-25  0:11                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 12:09                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-27 22:59                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-29  0:07                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-01  1:15                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 16:29                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-05 22:52                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 21:32                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-28 13:00                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-03-25 18:20                   ` Phillip Lord
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2016-03-24 14:41                                 ` [Emacs-diffs] widen-limits c331b66: Implement buffer-widen-limits functionality Drew Adams
2016-03-24 16:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                   ` <<83zitn26t0.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-03-24 16:24                                     ` Drew Adams

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