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From: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  jb@jeremybryant.net,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal:  Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 22:07:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6302.26908703975$1733256507@news.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tHxlB-000657-HE@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 01 Dec 2024 23:10:09 -0500")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > FWIW, I don't think this (IMO very useful and installed on my
>   > machines) manual belongs to Emacs.  It should be a separate manual.
>
> As a general design principle, it doesn't seem to make sense to
> include all GNU manuals in the Emacs distribution merely because they
> are useful manuals.  The idea was to relese them separately and have
> them installed separately into a combined info tree.
>
> Why is that not working?  What needs to be changed in some GNU/Linux
> distros?

The issues the others mentioned mainly the lack of acceptance of the
format and for sometime the possibility to find info manual manly due
the first problem.

Some projects switched to documentation systems which don't provide
anything but HTML or PDF such as e.g. Doxygen or those where the info
output is available but fragile and usually not enabled due problem one.

In the instance of the this specific manual it's just that it's one
specific document which isn't distributed along other software which is
unusual but also that it doesn't get much exposure I think.

The last issue is that the license make it impossible to be distributed
for some namely those which are Debian based but not solely those.

Related: I package the manual for RPM based distribution below:
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:Thaodan:Documentation/c-intro-and-ref

I will submit the manual to openSUSE unless some other issue comes up.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-03 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02  3:00             ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  2:51                 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  4:56                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05  7:45                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06  4:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01  9:53         ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54             ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04         ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04  6:09           ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  4:02   ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  8:36       ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13           ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  7:25         ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  7:46           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  8:52             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05  9:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  9:49                 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28                     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39                         ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15  8:26                             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08  8:13                           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08  8:38                             ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10  1:08                                 ` James Thomas
     [not found]                               ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  4:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54                                   ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                   ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 10:06             ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  4:58           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11  4:35               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:10   ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03       ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05  5:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30               ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  5:03           ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35               ` chad
2024-12-06  4:57               ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58             ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08  5:15               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08  7:15                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12  3:22                     ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02         ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
     [not found]           ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52             ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07  4:22           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15  6:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16  4:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07     ` Björn Bidar [this message]
     [not found]     ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02       ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08  5:10       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11         ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11  4:37           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13             ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11  4:32           ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff

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