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From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough.
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 20:34:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6260ca33-8d83-6b81-3d6b-5b00712868cf@easy-emacs.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a6bw2bud.fsf@gnu.org>

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Am 05.05.22 um 18:17 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 13:02:37 +0200
>> From: Andreas Röhler<andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
>>
>> A fundamental mode should be as fundamental as possible, stripped by all fanciness.
> "Fanciness" is in the eyes of the beholder.  It is clear that you
> don't like electric-indent-mode,

Hi Eli,

that's not true. In fact, I use electric-indentation all over the day. 
Just don't want it in environments, where it's not appropriate.

It's easier to switch on stuff than looking how to switch things off.

>   but that doesn't mean your opinion
> represents that of the majority.


Majority is no measure for correctness.  Requiring it, would put 
religion at the place of science.


>    We decided to turn that mode ON by
> default because quite a few people had other expectations.
>
> Fundamental mode is just a mode.

That's bad. Need a reliable basement to build upon. Kind of an empty sheet.


>    Richard even says that it is an
> important mode.  Then it follows that assuming it has no "fanciness"
> whatsoever isn't necessarily correct.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-05 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-05 12:55 bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 15:13   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-05 15:34     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-05 15:38       ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 17:57         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-05 19:59           ` Drew Adams
2016-02-05 19:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 20:18       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-06 19:48     ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-05 20:23 ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:43   ` Glenn Morris
2016-02-05 21:53   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-17  2:50     ` John Wiegley
2022-04-27 14:39       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-01  1:53         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-01  6:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-02 23:47             ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-03  7:03               ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-03 14:28                 ` Drew Adams
2022-05-03 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-04 22:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-05  5:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 11:02                     ` Andreas Röhler
2022-05-05 16:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-05 18:34                         ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2022-05-06 23:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-07  6:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-07 23:08                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-07 18:33     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <mailman.3712.1454686507.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-02-06 11:21   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-06 14:36     ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-06 16:59 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 19:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-07 21:02 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-07 21:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 19:39 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 20:18 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-08 20:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-08 21:01 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-09  3:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box>
     [not found] ` <<834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-02-05 15:36   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<mailman.3748.1454702408.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <<20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de>
2016-02-06 15:57   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <<E1aSU9T-0002aS-5O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-07 19:43     ` Drew Adams

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