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Le 19 septembre 2018 23:46:35 GMT+05:30, Davis Herring <herring@lanl=2Egov>=
 a =C3=A9crit :
>> While that is nice, but it will fix one documentation at a time=2E Can
>> we have an option in the customize interface to reveal the underlying
>> lisp object representation , for any option ? E=2Eg=2E t, nil, 2, 'alwa=
ys
>> etc=2E ? The option could be a menu entry, key-binding etc=2E
>
>Yes, we can: under the [State] button is "Show Saved Lisp Expression"=2E=
=20
>It seems that it shows the last value _set_, not the last value=20
>_selected_, though=2E
>
>Davis
>
>--=20
>This product is sold by volume, not by mass=2E  If it appears too dense
>or=20
>too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during=20
>shipping=2E

OK, I tried that but it didn't seem to show the value i expected=2E Probab=
ly due to the last set vs=2E last selected distinction=2E By last selected,=
 you mean we need to click on "Apply" , for "Show Saved Lisp Expression" to=
 show its lisp? "Saved" almost implies that one needs to click on "Apply an=
d Save"=2E

Anyway, this option could probably just bypass this confusion, and show li=
sp adjacent to the "human readable" description in the drop down=2E
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Le 19 septembre 2018 23=
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lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; borde=
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 have an option in the customize interface to reveal the underlying<br> lis=
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r>_selected_, though=2E<br><br>Davis<br></pre></blockquote></div><br clear=
=3D"all">OK, I tried that but it didn&#39;t seem to show the value i expect=
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st selected, you mean we need to click on &quot;Apply&quot; , for &quot;Sho=
w Saved Lisp Expression&quot; to show its lisp? &quot;Saved&quot; almost im=
plies that one needs to click on &quot;Apply and Save&quot;=2E<br>
<br>
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