From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Binding M-n and M-p to forward-paragraph and backward-paragraphrespectively Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61330.130.55.132.8.1302384543.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302384562 1084 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2011 21:29:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 21:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'chad' , 'Emacs-Devel devel' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 09 23:29:16 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8fiV-0002gp-7L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:29:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53616 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8fiU-0008B5-Lr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36588 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8fiP-00085J-BX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:29:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8fiO-0003pQ-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from proofpoint1.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.25]:34633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8fiO-0003pH-2g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by proofpoint1 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p39LT4Ns019201; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:29:04 -0600 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1665B162DEC; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:29:04 -0600 (MDT) X-NIE-2-Virus-Scanner: amavisd-new at mailrelay1.lanl.gov Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1494162D9B; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by webmail1.lanl.gov (Postfix, from userid 48) id EFC961CA8179; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from 130.55.132.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5_4.10.lanl3 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15, 1.0.148, 0.0.0000 definitions=2011-04-09_08:2011-04-09, 2011-04-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 204.121.3.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138337 Archived-At: > The last go-round about binding some (function) key by default clearly > demonstrated this: The discussion had not even finished, and no > decision had yet been reached, before some were sending in posts > that indicated that they understood that the key was _reserved_ and > should not be changed by users or 3rd-party libraries. Are you talking about the Alt-F4 (or M-f4) discussion? If so, that was heavily influenced by issues of whether Emacs should respect window system conventions (and if so, which systems), and whether Emacs should attempt to be just like every other program (for newbies' sake) but still somehow better, and whether there was a difference between unbound and specifically turned off, and how many layers of indirection to provide in keymap customization, etc. It's a very poor example for the issue of adding non-famous keys to the default global map. (It is, however, a very good example of how contentious any tampering with that global map is.) Of course, if that's not the one you meant, never mind. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.