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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314409 Archived-At: On 31/12/2023 05:15, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Vendoring in this context is industry jargon for hosting 3rd party > > dependencies (in this case the miniaudio library) alongside software > > (the elisp package). Put plainly, they want to know if it would be okay > > to host a copy of the miniaudio library alongside their elisp package. > > Thanks. > > Let's not adopt that term "vendoring", particularly since the GNU Project > is not a "vender". But the question is a reasonable one to pose. > > The answer would depend on questions such as > (1) What is the license of that library? > (2) What on does it do? > (3) What is the reason for using it? > (4) When running, how does it communicate with Emacs? > (5) Does it get linked with Emacs? If so, when does that happen? > (6) In what sense is it a "library"? > (7) Would this be souce code, executable, or both? > (8) How would it get built for your distro? > > Some combinations of answers might make it ok, others would make it > unacceptable. I'm pretty sure that most of these questions have answers in the original email that started this thread.