From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28945: 25.2; desktop auto save timer does not work Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <605fd263-28c0-4de6-8f80-5381cef6a16d@default> References: <87k1znuphh.fsf@gmail.com> <8360b7ayzq.fsf@gnu.org> <87efpvulk1.fsf@gmail.com> <83376bawts.fsf@gnu.org> <871slt64v1.fsf@gmail.com> <83a80hac80.fsf@gnu.org> <83vaj47y99.fsf@gnu.org> <838tfx9a8f.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvyl7s2y.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1509042572 28914 195.159.176.226 (26 Oct 2017 18:29:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pe.neidhardt@googlemail.com, rms@gnu.org, 28945@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 26 20:29:27 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mtx-00052O-9m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:29:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mu4-0007ZW-NL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mtv-0007YJ-FT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mtq-0003kw-Gj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mtq-0003kj-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mtq-0003dB-3V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:29:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28945 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28945-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28945.150904249913893 (code B ref 28945); Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2017 18:28:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35439 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mt8-0003c0-IY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47630) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e7mt7-0003bm-1v for 28945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v9QIS9LH021715 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:28:10 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v9QIS9SF026109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:28:09 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v9QIS916008297; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:28:09 GMT In-Reply-To: <83tvyl7s2y.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4600.0 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:139029 Archived-At: > > > Once a desktop file exists, Emacs will auto-save it > > > according to the option =E2=80=98desktop-auto-save-timeout=E2=80=99. > > > > Why is the default value 30 instead of just nil (OFF)? >=20 > I don't know. But this question should have been asked when this > feature was introduced during development of Emacs 24.4. Now it's a > fait accompli. I see. I wasn't aware of it back then. Mea culpa. (I don't use desktop in a way that would be affected by this, so I wasn't aware of it until this bug thread. It doesn't affect me directly.) And I didn't realize when I sent my message that this was baked-in way back in 24.4. Too bad. Kinda hard to believe that the default behavior would be changed in an incompatible way like that, but so be it. Also hard to believe, if it was so easy to change the default behavior in 24.4 from a longstanding one, that it is now so hard to change it (e.g. back). Fait accompli, maybe. But once and for all, over and done with? Too bad also, if, as you say, this question should have been asked back then, that it wasn't asked by those who were looking at the possible new feature. (I don't know that it wasn't asked, but you seem to suggest that, by saying that it should have been.)