From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs freezes every now and then on my windows 7 pc Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 07:10:09 -0700 Message-ID: <6056134BD3254EDFA2BCD19B4F8E0790@us.oracle.com> References: <2f00df9a-2b69-46e0-b3df-e09ca4b0a295@googlegroups.com> <836291caqf.fsf@gnu.org> <818vdx0x1h.fsf@gmail.com> <1B758CD9545840F1A7FA3D6786813465@us.oracle.com> <831ujocwiu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344003040 6542 80.91.229.3 (3 Aug 2012 14:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, kjambunathan@gmail.com To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 03 16:10:38 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SxIaJ-0002GV-Mz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:10:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38349 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxIaI-0007SK-Cc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:10:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxIaA-0007RA-65 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:10:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxIa7-00073i-Su for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:10:26 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:47591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SxIa2-00071C-RD; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:10:18 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q73EAESo006476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:10:15 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q73EAEi4021027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:10:14 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q73EAD9K026096; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:10:13 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.171.30) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:10:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1xQlMgfn7mKIKFR6iGc4F4W0eYAgAO9rcg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <831ujocwiu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:86175 Archived-At: > > Each week I hope for a new Windows build that works enough > > to check the fix for some bug I filed for a previous build. > > But in some cases I have not been able to check fixes > > because of new bugs (including crashes). And the Windows > > builds are no longer done weekly, it seems, which aggravates > > this problem. > > Again, this is expected. No, this degree of volatility is not expected, if expectation is based on past experience. This is not near the mean (or median or mode) of the frequency distribution, in my guesstimation. New bugs and disruptions are to be expected, of course. But this amount of disruption (at the C level in particular, e.g. crashing) is not typical, fortunately. As I think you hinted in emacs-devel, this is more like what everyone might have experienced if you had developed bidi, from the outset, as the main dish, instead of as a side dish that later, when more or less perfected, was incorporated into the main dish. > I would actually advise people who don't build Emacs themselves > not to use the development snapshots for anything serious. Oh, no need to worry. I wouldn't think of using them for anything serious, believe me. (Not that I do anything serious with any build or release.) And the matter has nothing to do with whether someone builds Emacs personally or uses a binary built by someone else. Who builds Emacs is irrelevant here. And the more frequently prebuilt Windows binaries are provided, the easier and quicker are the reporting and debugging of bugs. That's an obvious benefit. Costs include the effort to build and post the binaries, of course. > > There seems to be a fair amount of volatility in the C code > > at this time.... This is, fortunately, not typical of Emacs > > development; it is presumably temporary. Let's hope things > > settle down soon. > > Sorry, but I'm afraid this is here to stay, at least for a while. > There are a few contributors to Emacs who tend to make disruptive > commits at least once a week. I see no signs that they will stop any > time soon. The only time these attitudes can be kept in check is > during a pretest, or a feature freeze. On n'arrete pas le progres. ;-)