From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enhancements to options menu (was Re: Reveal mode) Date: 04 May 2002 20:44:13 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xvga3ah36.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <200204302119.g3ULJAP06813@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xznzj30j0.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205031825.g43IP3e00651@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xwuuk6b4q.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200205041501.g44F1vm01192@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020534328 4888 127.0.0.1 (4 May 2002 17:45:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pavel@Janik.cz, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1743b6-0001Gj-00 for ; Sat, 04 May 2002 19:45:28 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1743hN-0005yb-00 for ; Sat, 04 May 2002 19:51:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1743ak-000078-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 13:45:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1743ZA-0007x2-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 13:43:28 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (unknown [10.1.82.3]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 171367C035; Sat, 4 May 2002 17:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <200205041501.g44F1vm01192@aztec.santafe.edu> Original-Lines: 42 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3584 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3584 Richard Stallman writes: > That's ok. However, for new users, I would like to have something a > little less overwhelming (and easier to browse) than the full-blown > customize interface. > > Why do you think it is "overwhelming"? What makes it difficult to > browse? Perhaps Custom can be improved, but if we want to have any chance > to improve it, we need to think more concretely. IMO, the custom interface is overwhelming in the sense that it doesn't really prioritize the options. As a new user, I would like to see a buffer with a few checkboxes enabling and disabling major features like: [x] Abbreviation mode [advanced] [x] Revert mode [advanced] etc (see my original mail for more examples)... As a user gets more advanced, he can venture into fine-tuning the various packages using the customize interface (e.g using the [advanced] button). > > If we want to make a drastic change, we should use the existing Custom > data structure and build another interface to use it. > > > We should > > encourage users to use that facility instead. If it is not good > > enough, we should improve it. > > Maybe we could create a "preferences" page which contains toggles for, > say, 25 commonly used options, and also a link to the customize group > for that option. > > I don't understand this proposal. For instance, you speak of a > "page"; what does that mean here? Could you use the standard term > for whatever entity you have in mind? Sorry, I meant "buffer". -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk