From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: 18 May 2002 22:36:27 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5xg00p9os4.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87it5lwt6l.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <9003-Sat18May2002155552+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021750558 722 127.0.0.1 (18 May 2002 19:35:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1799zi-0000BX-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:35:58 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179ACp-0000Ir-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 21:49:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1799zv-0002gG-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:36:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.filanet.dk ([195.215.206.179]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1799zU-0002fY-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 15:35:44 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs2.cua.dk.cua.dk (unknown [10.1.82.3]) by mail.filanet.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D98487C016; Sat, 18 May 2002 19:35:42 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <9003-Sat18May2002155552+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Original-Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.50 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4097 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4097 "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > > From: Miles Bader > > Date: 18 May 2002 21:12:50 +0900 > > > > > All they usually memorize is maybe ten different keybindings, they use > > > the mouse and the menus for the rest, like they do for almost any > > > other program in the world. > > > > If your students are so fearful, lazy, or busy that they'll only learn > > ten different keybindings, then I'd say they're better off just using > > the menus, and probably don't even need the tutorial. > I don't think it is being lazy or fearful simply wanting to use existing knowledge -- and getting down to business quickly. 99% of all users which start using emacs already knows how to navigate using the arrow keys and pgup/pgdown, so IMO spending one word in the tutorial -- repeat TUTORIAL -- doesn't help the users one iota getting started using emacs. Quite contrary it makes emacs stand out as old fashioned, and difficult to learn!!! Once a user masters the basic emacs functionality, those interested in optimizing their typing will learn about the C-f etc bindings -- the rest will *NEVER* care about them. It might also be an idea to mention CUA mode in the tutorial -- if the user is already familiar with C-z C-x C-c and C-v, teaching them to use a different set of bindings could be delayed... > > Please note that I'm not as extreme as Francesco: I don't think we > should remove the cursor motion discussion altogether, or never > mention C-f and C-b. I just think we don't need to talk about that > as much as it was necessary in 1990, say. It could be written in 8 lines: To move the cursor in emacs, use the arrow, , and keys. To scroll the window, use the PgDown and PgUp keys, and to move to the top or bottom of the current buffer, use C-home and C-end. If you don't like the cursor keys, use the following keys instead: C-f, C-b, C-n, and C-p moves the cursor, C-a and C-e moves to beginning or end of the line, C-v and M-v scrolls the window, while M-< and M-> moves to the top or bottom of the buffer. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk