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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: German tutorial fix
Date: 18 May 2002 22:36:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5xg00p9os4.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9003-Sat18May2002155552+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>

"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@is.elta.co.il> writes:

> > From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
> > Date: 18 May 2002 21:12:50 +0900
> > 
> > > All they usually memorize is maybe ten different keybindings, they use
> > > the mouse and the menus for the rest, like they do for almost any
> > > other program in the world.
> > 
> > If your students are so fearful, lazy, or busy that they'll only learn
> > ten different keybindings, then I'd say they're better off just using
> > the menus, and probably don't even need the tutorial.
> 

I don't think it is being lazy or fearful simply wanting to use existing
knowledge -- and getting down to business quickly.  99% of all users which
start using emacs already knows how to navigate using the arrow keys and
pgup/pgdown, so IMO spending one word in the tutorial -- repeat TUTORIAL --
doesn't help the users one iota getting started using emacs.  

Quite contrary it makes emacs stand out as old fashioned, and
difficult to learn!!!

Once a user masters the basic emacs functionality, those interested in
optimizing their typing will learn about the C-f etc bindings -- the
rest will *NEVER* care about them.

It might also be an idea to mention CUA mode in the tutorial -- if
the user is already familiar with C-z C-x C-c and C-v, teaching them
to use a different set of bindings could be delayed...

> 
> Please note that I'm not as extreme as Francesco: I don't think we
> should remove the cursor motion discussion altogether, or never
> mention C-f and C-b.  I just think we don't need to talk about that
> as much as it was necessary in 1990, say.

It could be written in 8 lines:

To move the cursor in emacs, use the arrow, <home>, and <end> keys.
To scroll the window, use the PgDown and PgUp keys, and to move
to the top or bottom of the current buffer, use C-home and C-end.

If you don't like the cursor keys, use the following keys instead:
C-f, C-b, C-n, and C-p moves the cursor, C-a and C-e moves to
beginning or end of the line, C-v and M-v scrolls the window, while
M-< and M-> moves to the top or bottom of the buffer.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-18 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-14 13:07 German tutorial fix Mario Lang
2002-05-14 15:05 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-05-16  7:22   ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-16 10:37     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-05-16 12:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-16 14:10         ` Andreas Fuchs
2002-05-16 15:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-17 19:28         ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-18  0:44           ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-05-18  2:00             ` Miles Bader
2002-05-18  7:17               ` Andreas Fuchs
2002-05-18 11:59               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-05-18 12:12                 ` Miles Bader
2002-05-18 12:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-18 13:11                     ` Andreas Fuchs
2002-05-19  4:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-19  5:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-18 20:36                     ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2002-05-20 22:58                   ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-05-19  5:30                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-19 12:54                   ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-19 13:30                     ` Miles Bader
2002-05-19 14:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-05-19 15:26                       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-19 16:10                         ` Miles Bader
2002-05-20 10:47                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-23 19:45                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-05-23 23:45                           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-20 14:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-18 14:18               ` Alex Schroeder
2002-05-18  6:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-05-19 19:44             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-05-20 14:40               ` Mario Lang
2002-05-20 21:13                 ` Colin Walters
2002-05-17 19:28       ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-15  0:13 ` Werner LEMBERG
2002-05-15  4:41   ` Eli Zaretskii

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