Re: emacs or xemacs?

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Alex Schroeder]

"Aurelio" <arele@wanadoo.es> writes:

> Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
> Thanks!!!! 
> I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
> change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
> difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
> xemacs more usefull??? 

Nobody knows.  They are both actively developped.  You can try
news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer.  :)

Alex.

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Lute Kamstra]

Alex Schroeder <alex@emacswiki.org> writes:

> "Aurelio" <arele@wanadoo.es> writes:
> 
> > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
> > Thanks!!!! 
> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
> > xemacs more usefull??? 
> 
> Nobody knows.  They are both actively developped.  You can try
> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer.  :)

Hey, no HTML!  How did you manage to remove it in your reply?  

Lute.

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Henrik Enberg]

Lute Kamstra <Lute.Kamstra@cwi.nl> writes:

> Alex Schroeder <alex@emacswiki.org> writes:
>
>> "Aurelio" <arele@wanadoo.es> writes:
>> 
>> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
>> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
>> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
>> > xemacs more usefull??? 
>> 
>> Nobody knows.  They are both actively developped.  You can try
>> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer.  :)
>
> Hey, no HTML!  How did you manage to remove it in your reply?  

The OP sent a multipart message with both html and plain text.  In Gnus
you could set `mm-discouraged-alternatives' to get rid of crappy html.

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Lute Kamstra]

Henrik Enberg <henrik+news@enberg.org> writes:

[...]

> The OP sent a multipart message with both html and plain text.  In Gnus
> you could set `mm-discouraged-alternatives' to get rid of crappy html.

Ah yes, that works.  I learned my new thing for today.  Thanks.

Lute.

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No HTML mails in Gnus (was: emacs or xemacs?)

[Alex Schroeder]

Lute Kamstra <Lute.Kamstra@cwi.nl> writes:

> Alex Schroeder <alex@emacswiki.org> writes:
>
>> "Aurelio" <arele@wanadoo.es> writes:
>> 
>> > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
>> > Thanks!!!! 
>> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
>> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
>> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
>> > xemacs more usefull??? 
>> 
>> Nobody knows.  They are both actively developped.  You can try
>> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer.  :)
>
> Hey, no HTML!  How did you manage to remove it in your reply?  

Hm?  Maybe you want to read a bit about Gnus -- especially since you
already use it!

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MimeTypesWithGnus

Alex.

Re: No HTML mails in Gnus (was: emacs or xemacs?)

[Lute Kamstra]

Alex Schroeder <alex@emacswiki.org> writes:

[...]

> Hm?  Maybe you want to read a bit about Gnus -- especially since you
> already use it!

That's one of my tricksies.  I let Outlook insert funny User-Agent
headers.

> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MimeTypesWithGnus

Well, actually I read the Gnus manual once.  It's just that only the
things I was interested in at the time really registered.  After that,
I just started to learn new things as I encountered them or when I
felt that I needed them.  It's a very lazy attitude, I know, but
laziness is supposed to make you do smart things, right?

Anyway, thanks for the pointer (and for maintaining the Wiki).

Lute.

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>]

>> Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
>> Thanks!!!! 
>> I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
>> change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
>> difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
>> xemacs more usefull??? 
> Nobody knows.  They are both actively developped.  You can try
> news://alt.religion.emacs for the definite answer.  :)

C'mon Alex!
Everybody knows that Emacs rules!

        Stefan

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Adam]

On Tuesday 10 September 2002 17:18, Aurelio wrote:

> Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
> Thanks!!!!
> I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
> change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
> difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
> xemacs more usefull???
> Thanks

If you have to use a Windoze system, XEmacs is easier to install. But if 
you're using Cygwin it's not difficult to install GNU Emacs. On a proper 
OS, they're both about the same to install. (Most Linux distros come with 
both now.)

But GNU Emacs is the One True Emacs!

RE: emacs or xemacs?

[Aurelio]

Well, I am running Debian 3.0 testing... So, I have no problems to find
the packages... Ok!!! I will try Gnu emacs21... Thanks!!!!

RE: emacs or xemacs?

[Aurelio]

Well, I am running Debian 3.0 testing... So, I have no problems to find
the packages... Ok!!! I will try Gnu emacs21... Thanks!!!!

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Klaus Berndl]

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, a24061@void.yahoo.void.com wrote:

>  On Tuesday 10 September 2002 17:18, Aurelio wrote:
>  
> > Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
> > Thanks!!!!
> > I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
> > change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
> > difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
> > xemacs more usefull???
> > Thanks
>  
>  If you have to use a Windoze system, XEmacs is easier to install. But if 
>  you're using Cygwin it's not difficult to install GNU Emacs. On a proper 
>  OS, they're both about the same to install. (Most Linux distros come with 
>  both now.)

AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer ported from Cygwin
to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs must still be installed by
downloading one big archive (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled
binaries), extracing it, reading the READMe and so on...

Though i prefer GNU Emacs as editor IMHO the installation of XEmacs is much
more convenient than GNU Emacs (ok, i must admit, downloading the archive,
extracting it and some small steps more are not really difficult but
nevertheless.... :-)

Of course all this is only related to Windows systems!

Ciao,
Klaus

>  
>  But GNU Emacs is the One True Emacs!

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Sacha Chua]

Klaus Berndl <Klaus.Berndl@raibau.raiffeisen.at> writes:

> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer ported from Cygwin
> to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs must still be installed by
> downloading one big archive (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled
> binaries), extracing it, reading the READMe and so on...

apt-get install emacs21

.. and then apt-get install any of the Emacs packages I want, or
download the .els or source archives and play with them myself.

I love Debian. =)

I understand that the binary distribution of Emacs is also easy to
install if you're using RPMs.

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Jochen Küpper]

On 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote:

Klaus> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer
Klaus> ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs
Klaus> must still be installed by downloading one big archive
Klaus> (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries),
Klaus> extracing it, reading the READMe and so on...

Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays...

Greetings,
Jochen
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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Klaus Berndl]

On 11 Sep 2002, Jochen Küpper wrote:

>  On 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote:
>  
>  Klaus> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer
>  Klaus> ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs
>  Klaus> must still be installed by downloading one big archive
>  Klaus> (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries),
>  Klaus> extracing it, reading the READMe and so on...
>  
>  Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays...

Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin...
Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to
cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin
setup)?

Ciao,klaus

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Zhongtao Zhu]

Klaus Berndl <Klaus.Berndl@raibau.raiffeisen.at> writes:

> On 11 Sep 2002, Jochen Küpper wrote:
> 
> >  On 11 Sep 2002 10:34:06 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote:
> >  
> >  Klaus> AFAIK this not correct: XEmacs has this nifty net-installer
> >  Klaus> ported from Cygwin to the needs of XEmacs whereas GNU Emacs
> >  Klaus> must still be installed by downloading one big archive
> >  Klaus> (regardless of source-distrib or precompiled binaries),
> >  Klaus> extracing it, reading the READMe and so on...
> >  
> >  Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays...
> 
> Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin...
> Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to
> cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin
> setup)?
> 
> Ciao,klaus

I did find a cygwin release, in a local mirror ftp site, which
contains Emacs-21.2-7 of both its source and pre-complied
binaries. The cygwin as a whole can be net-installed by a setup.exe,
though the default options are set to exclude the Emacs.

You may check it by visiting the wet site of RedHat.
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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Jochen Küpper]

On 12 Sep 2002 10:29:43 +0200 Klaus Berndl wrote:

Klaus> On 11 Sep 2002, Jochen Küpper wrote:

>> Actually Emacs is (3 packages) in the standard Cygwin install nowadays...

Klaus> Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs
Klaus> to Cygwin... Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an
Klaus> official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to cygwin (downloadable
Klaus> binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin
Klaus> setup)?

Well, what's "offocial"? :)) Emacs is in the standard cygwin package
hirarchy nowadays (but yes, only recently added).

It needs some patching and apparently the company who's employee fixed
it for cygwin is somewhat slow to sign the copyright assignments to
FSF... (Which is not so strange if it's their first time:)

Greetings,
Jochen
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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[maierh]

"Jochen Küpper" <jochen@unc.edu> writes:

> Klaus> Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs
> Klaus> to Cygwin... Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an
> Klaus> official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to cygwin (downloadable
> Klaus> binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin
> Klaus> setup)?
>
> Well, what's "offocial"? :)) Emacs is in the standard cygwin package
> hirarchy nowadays (but yes, only recently added).
>
> It needs some patching and apparently the company who's employee fixed
> it for cygwin is somewhat slow to sign the copyright assignments to
> FSF... (Which is not so strange if it's their first time:)


Wow. Just tried it:

  In GNU Emacs 21.2 (i686-pc-cygwin, X toolkit)
   of 2002-09-12 on hestia
  configured using `configure  \
    --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sysconfdir=/etc \
    --libexecdir=/usr/sbin --localstatedir=/var \
    --datadir=/usr/share --without-toolkit-scroll-bars'
  
  ...
  
  Important settings:
    value of $LC_ALL: nil
    value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
    value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
    value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
    value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
    value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
    value of $LC_TIME: nil
    value of $LANG: C
    locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1
    default-enable-multibyte-characters: t
  GNU Emacs 21.2 (i686-pc-cygwin, X toolkit) of 2002-09-12 on hestia

It works really out of the box. Anyway this is not a NTEmacs. This is
a cygwin emacs that is compiled with the cygwin library. NTEmacs is
compiled with the -mno-cygwin flag. The cygwin emacs is a pure X11
emacs. Anyway it might be useful for debugging NTEmacs with gdb. (Do
you remember the long discussion between Eli and Stefan for some
months.)

Harald

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[D. Goel]

> 
> Oooops... AFAIK there is no official release port of GNU Emacs to Cygwin...
> Is this not true anymore?? Is there now an official port of GNU Emacs 21.X to
> cygwin (downloadable binaries build with cygwin and installable by the cygwin
> setup)?
> 

I built emacs21 on an NT a few months ago---using cygwin tools.. it
had pretty good instructions on how to go about it.

Also, the cygwin install itself probably has an "install emacs"
option--but now sure about that..

Re: emacs or xemacs?

[Rodney Sparapani]

As far as installation goes, I'd definitely say that XEmacs is easier. 
 Especially, for packages and when you run into problems.  But, I use 
both now.

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Emacs or XEmacs?

[JS]

What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run on
WinXP and is one better for something that the other?

Re: Emacs or XEmacs?

[David Kastrup]

"JS" <dsa.@asdf.com> writes:

> What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run
> on WinXP and is one better for something that the other?

Pretty much every one agrees one about the difference being that one
looks excessively ugly, is something that the world does not need, has
developers hard to get along with who have an irresponsible release
policy and fail to get to grips with reality.

Unfortunately there is no agreement about which of the two editors is
that (some would even claim the same for both).  So you probably need
to find out yourself.

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Re: Emacs or XEmacs?

[Tim Johnson]

* JS <"dsa."@asdf.com> [050522 13:21]:
> What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run on
> WinXP and is one better for something that the other?
 
  I like them both, and <sigh> in a (my) perfect world, the
  best of both would be in one.

  Although my main platform is linux, I've used both on XP.
  Xemacs was slightly easier to install because of the Wise
  kit, but emacs was no big deal, if I recall correctly.

  MTCW
  tim


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Re: Emacs or XEmacs?

[It's me FKtPp ;)]

"JS" <dsa.@asdf.com> writes:

> What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run on
> WinXP and is one better for something that the other?

CVS version of GNU Emacs offer better multilingual support
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RE: Emacs or XEmacs?

[Drew Adams]

    What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run on
    WinXP and is one better for something that the other?

You might find some help here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsAndXEmacs.

Re: Emacs or XEmacs?

[Alan Mackenzie]

JS <dsa.@asdf.com> wrote on Sun, 22 May 2005 23:14:11 +0200:
> What are the difference between Emacs and XEmacs? Will they both run on
> WinXP and is one better for something that the other?

Hey, you're not a troll, are you?

No, thought not.  So here's an answer:

>From the point of view of a user, there are lots of minor niggly little
differences between them.  There are, I think, some facilities available
on one, but not the other.  But all these differences are _MUCH_ less
than those between either and the rest of the world of editors.  Try them
both: you'll probably end up preferring the first one you tried.

If you're a developer of an Emacs package, the differences are more and
more significant.  If you develop for both, you'll find yourself working
round lots of PITAs.

The philosophy and working style of the two Emacs projects could hardly
be more different, given only that they're both free projects, and this
has caused some friction between them.

Either is better than any other editor.  :-)

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Re: emacs or xemacs?

[A. L. Meyers]

Although it may not be perfect, the xemacs package system works
reasonably well and is certainly better than no package system at all,
alas still the case with emacs AFAIK.

My personal hope is that the developers of both emacsen with soon get
over the unicode hump and with unicode as the base get all the other
encodings to work transparently in the background.  A stupid, lazy end
user's dream.  :-)

Lucien
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emacs or xemacs?

[Aurelio]

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Hello!!! First of all, you must be patient with my english writing...
Thanks!!!! 
I am going to use emcas. I usually use VIM but now it´s time to
change... And here´s my first ask: emacs or xemacs??? What is the
difference?? I think emacs21 have a good graphic display... But is
xemacs more usefull??? 
Thanks
 

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