From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#358: dabbrev-abbrev-char-regexp Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5e7a0ecf-0410-4080-9553-11e3da1361ba@default> References: <1212586214.22521.1256711185@webmail.messagingengine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1490300712 15661 195.159.176.226 (23 Mar 2017 20:25:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 358@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 23 21:25:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9IB-0003bL-SX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:25:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9IH-0002oY-U9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9IA-0002mt-MU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9I7-0001nw-Hg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43217) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9I7-0001ns-Eq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9I7-0000ic-9a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:25:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:25:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 358 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 358-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B358.14903006692690 (code B ref 358); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:25:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 358) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2017 20:24:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41412 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9HZ-0000hK-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:24:29 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32593) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cr9HY-0000h8-2D for 358@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v2NKOLlO003697 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:24:21 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v2NKOLAB031722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:24:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v2NKOK40028662; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:24:21 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6753.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:130853 Archived-At: > >> +For instance, if you are programming in Lisp, `yes-or-no-p' is a > >> +symbol, while `yes', `or', `no' and `p' are considered words. > > > > This text (same as before) is a bit misleading. It makes it sound > > like `yes', `or', `no', and `p' are considered words but not symbols. > > They are also considered symbols. Each of their characters has word > > syntax, but in Lisp those names name symbols. > > > > It is better not to talk about Lisp symbols at all here, I think. > > This is about the syntax categories symbol and word. It is not > > about which names can be used for Lisp symbols. (And there is > > no such thing as a Lisp "word".) >=20 > The text is using "symbol" as a shorthand for "text which > `forward-symbol' would move over" or "sequence of characters with word > or symbol constituent syntax", and "word" as short for "text which > `forward-word' would move over" or "sequence of characters with word > constituent syntax". Yes, that's the intended meaning. Which is why it should not mention Lisp symbols, which are something else again. > I think it's reasonably clear from context (as > you say, there is no such thing as a Lisp "word" in any other sense), > but I have no problem replacing it with something less ambiguous if > you can come up with something that's not too long. I don't think any example is needed. Essentially we are saying here that if a letter has word syntax and `-' has symbol syntax then \"\\\\sw\" matches a word char and \"\\\\sw\\\\|\\\\s_\" matches a word char or a symbol char. Not worth saying, IMO.