From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20697: 25.0.50; Mention `M-x report-emacs-bug' on splash screen Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5e1c6ad4-5c01-4989-bbcf-7e398ba9ede6@default> References: <874l2az3r3.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="150117"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 13 22:32:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i8sEx-000cvp-7R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:13:59 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2uytdx89b2-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:13:59 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x8DKDwI0002756; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:13:58 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4888.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9379 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909130205 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9379 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909130205 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166417 Archived-At: > There are many ways to contribute to Emacs: > =E2=80=A2 find and report bugs; *Note Bugs::. >=20 > So I think this is already a good landing page for both bugs and > contributions. Yes. > > [Mentioning also enhancement requests was my input > > for this bug thread.] >=20 > Do you have any ideas for how to better emphasize enhancement > requests? Should it be a separate bullet point on the "Contribute" > page perhaps? My suggestion is to put it explicitly in the text/link that then leads you to the doc section that covers all of this. Although "contribute improvements" covers suggesting enhancements, I think the former suggests more substantial contribution than just asking for or suggesting a possible enhancement - something wished. I think it's important for users to see, up front, an invitation to make even minor or undeveloped, even possibly infeasible or not-well-thought-through suggestions. If that invitation is found only after following some "contribute" link to doc that covers everything, including full-blown patches, then its effect on inviting superficial suggestions can be lost. So I'd "waste" a few extra chars to spell out that invitation explicitly. Something like this: "How to report bugs and suggest or contribute possible improvements" > > But in that case, the more lightweight feedback, #1, > > should be separated and up front, so users wanting > > to report a bug or suggest an enhancement need not > > find themselves immediately in the depths of how to > > contribute in a deeper way. >=20 > I think that it's fine that users can click the link on the top of the > page to reach (info "(emacs) Bugs"). It's separate enough, and early > enough, that users can easily click on it and ignore the rest of the > page, in my opinion. See above. Separate enough and early enough, perhaps. But it doesn't explicitly invite suggestions, even blue-sky suggestions. That invitation is what I think is missing up front. > > We want (IMO) to encourage lots of users to provide > > relatively easy feedback, beyond also wanting some > > users to get more deeply involved. We don't want > > people to get the impression that lightweight > > suggestions are not possible or encouraged, and that > > a heavy commitment is the only encouraged participation. >=20 > I absolutely agree. Thanks for working on this. The patch looks good to me, though I'd prefer to also see what I mention above.