From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>,
rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: "whether the global keymap C-x 4 will be replaced by a command,"
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5e0de57e-e0a2-4188-bf7e-1fa00fc1ec6e@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sgdog5b5.fsf@iris.silentflame.com>
> the feedback I got was that it would be better to
> avoid cluttering the function symbol namespace with
> lots of -other-window commands.
My feedback is that I _want_ separate other-window
(and other-frame) commands. Explicit commands.
But _not_ in some general, apply-to-all-commands (or
all commands that show something in a window or select
a window).
I want such commands only when and where I want them,
and I want them bound to keys only when and where I
want such bindings. I don't want something to create
such other-* commands willy nilly, automatically.
IOW, I want just what we have now:
. ability for anyone to explicitly define an other-*
command
. ability for anyone to bind any same-* or other-*
command to any key in any mode or other context.
. ability for anyone to _not_ have a given same-*
or other-* command be bound in a given mode or
context.
In Dired, for example, for some actions I want to
have _only_ a key that reuses the same window. For
other actions I want to have _only_ a key that uses
another window - or another frame. And for still
other actions I want to have keys for _both_, or
all 3, possibilities.
To me, it would be a step backward to treat any of
this stuff in some one-size-fits-all, blanket way:
either by automatically creating other-* commands
for everything, or by automatically creating
bindings for them.
Or by automatically creating the equivalent:
providing keys everywhere, for everything, that
provide other-* behavior without creating other-*
commands. I want only keys that I or some mode
or other context has decided are the most useful
for that particular context.
I have no problem with the supposed "cluttering
[of] the function symbol namespace" from the
existence of separate other-* commands.
(Perhaps that's partly because I use a completion
framework that isn't bothered by the existence of
two commands `foo' and `foo-other-window' etc.)
To me, this "project" of replacing `C-x 4' by a
command is an anti-feature. (Same for other
prefix keys.)
And again, though I've asked several times now,
I've seen _no_ description of anything useful that
this project aims to provide. So far, it seems
only like a thought-to-be-clever solution that's
still looking for a problem to solve.
If the problem is _really_ only "cluttering [of]
the function symbol namespace", then that, to me
(just one user) is 100% a non-problem.
And IMO it's certainly not worth tossing out the
beautiful baby of simple prefix-key bindings to
keymaps with the supposedly too-cluttered-namespace
bathwater.
IMO, that bathwater itself is in fact clean &
clear. It's a mountain stream, not dirty suds.
Just one opinion.
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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <E1juSI3-0005ai-6j@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <83ft9woo68.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-07-13 2:52 ` "whether the global keymap ‘C-x 4’ will be replaced by a command," Richard Stallman
2020-07-13 23:58 ` "whether the global keymap C-x 4 " Juri Linkov
2020-07-14 4:19 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-14 5:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-14 14:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-14 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-14 15:28 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-14 15:35 ` John Yates
2020-07-14 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-14 15:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-14 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-15 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-15 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-15 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-16 4:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-16 22:57 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-17 2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-17 0:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-14 22:27 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-14 22:55 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-15 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-16 3:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-16 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-16 23:05 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-17 2:10 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-18 1:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-18 16:23 ` Sean Whitton
2020-07-18 17:00 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-07-19 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 15:28 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-21 0:22 ` Sean Whitton
2020-07-18 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-18 23:21 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-19 0:11 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-19 3:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-19 22:07 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-20 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-20 20:50 ` Juri Linkov
2020-07-20 2:39 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-20 3:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-15 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 13:00 ` Barry Fishman
2020-07-19 15:38 ` Drew Adams
2020-07-19 16:20 ` Barry Fishman
2020-07-19 17:45 ` Drew Adams
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