From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Daniel Colascione" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yes, please allow pre-configuration of first frame [was: Blink Cursor mode is off by default] Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: <5d9bfaf2da4f4604dc96ff98e2faeb63.squirrel@dancol.org> References: <838t7lqnf0.fsf@gnu.org> <83zi01p6th.fsf@gnu.org> <13a2189b89d06be494cbc21561713d5d.squirrel@dancol.org> <83o9ggpwfs.fsf@gnu.org> <98930BC3-F62C-4BFF-8B06-8CFB65E8D243@gnu.org> <5659356aea4cdccd07e28e441c1ae98b.squirrel@dancol.org> <871sd8kugv.fsf_-_@moondust.localdomain> <5cc07aef-9c8b-4a5b-8cdb-3d003bed7151@dancol.org> <8336xmzlq2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1529170271 24079 195.159.176.226 (16 Jun 2018 17:31:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 17:31:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] Cc: dancol@dancol.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eli Zaretskii" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 16 19:31:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF2Y-00066W-6j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 19:31:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52308 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF4d-0006aX-Bw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:33:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF4X-0006aQ-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF4W-0001FY-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:50004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF4V-0001En-Ap; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:33:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Cc:To:From:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID; bh=ajpDav1kKIH5jwowUEIDm/V6gxDomX7mXPbjHKDuvu8=; b=pO5jv7iLWiola/S+VQHKWy9cfVDQ3OaRA2o9VQg1jbGcKAgk1Kh1MfLDuA9ZkDR5omR7yJ7PJOY/Veh1VW33OV4pimkSJbzhNo4HXROivoxv6sH/MTe0JgaEHYzrfPyENV1PmKxDNFN/U/DI3rq7vR2n6I7s3DgIcCkWm/AYFL1XKKseMCMG+PkjH2rPFRT13grm2WB+dziOv8vMlky8DPBDe85+D8+m9dj4NypPN0KjlMuJzJSD5Bfk8/oneCkxpyKlRaz87QbqbYJsR8OhtXDOEpw4QbnID//MUTksVuAGtCTMiN60ZlLYPPR8EQhaVIuyd0tYWkPYIivpwE2CiA==; Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=dancol.org) by dancol.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fUF4T-0002dA-HZ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:33:05 -0700 Original-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dancol) by dancol.org with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:33:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8336xmzlq2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226383 Archived-At: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 13:20:21 -0400 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> > The file could just run against a dummy frame that happens to look >> like the >> > GUI frame we'll eventually create. >> >> To reduce the breakage, the frame had batter be as real as possible >> (e.g. plain normal frame, just `invisible`), but still: what will happen >> when the .emacs code ends up prompting the user in the minibuffer? Display the frame in the unlikely case that we stop and wait for input. > What if we create and display a small special frame, "normal" enough > to support everything any .emacs could expect, but devoid of stuff > like the menu bar, the tool bar, and the scroll bars? Many > applications show something like that at startup, so I think that > would look "professional" enough. Splash screens are awful: they're disruptive and excuse poor startup times.