From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-line-move-visual: was line motion problem Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: <5F62534C-D5CE-4364-8F73-E1AE0D61B4E2@gmail.com> References: <18557.63556.231489.523637@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--451617068; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216226293 25533 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2008 16:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, raman@users.sourceforge.net To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 16 18:39:01 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJA1k-0006WK-9k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:38:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48295 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJA0r-00080J-Pw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJA0n-0007ze-QQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJA0m-0007yx-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33884 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJA0m-0007yu-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:52 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.230]:65059) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJA0m-0006Lk-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:52 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so2737651wxd.24 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=ZLmA93nWkBEvl7TWK/u3SCuQQkINavpNvm6nQMmQ7tQ=; b=hMPZd6srPT2fREWpGfuB2smL0GsVBUZWRHM4DKTBXdEkDEyF9AyiQIRHUuydDIdw9+ 2AaI+7Ym545wLhwVoUThG25pb0s8vo4kj7MrRn+upBqW8i3bHclFW+6Resg7jVB1pFCg Qb5X61yy2hAfhYyefoHZlXVRS3IugicijeTAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=JhfjqdkUuHx1XnXm9QjGgdyFwaYiZBWpB+57xWj1QPtzbfxh+slJL/C3VZl2lJEk4m UU+v8Ywe+qwV0RckqNq6balOYP/jfyRdQlcLzZOcG2ufWj8FeQLVJ2lTVb1JfBgY5Kyn 02GQCdJz5MJ4f60KW+rE6A1iI9cg77JbtvFA4= Original-Received: by 10.70.71.9 with SMTP id t9mr215844wxa.72.1216226271403; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from CMU-276608.WV.CC.CMU.EDU ( [128.237.234.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h11sm9051367wxd.1.2008.07.16.09.37.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100820 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-4--451617068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 16 Jul 2008, at 12:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Yes, it should be a define-minor-mode (with name ending in "-mode"). > Can someone make this change? What do we conclude from the discussion related to this? My understanding is that we were going to have visual navigation (arrow keys, C-n, C-p) default to on, and leave default behavior of C- a and C-e as is, with some code (from the visual-line-mode that I posted) to optionally remap C-a and C-e to visual navigation as it is sensible in text modes. Should this be one minor mode that defaults to on, or should we have two minor modes then? Also, should C-a and C-e default to the visual mode in all text modes? 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