From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Lennart Borgman'" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: mathias@mnet-mail.de, 'David Kastrup' <dak@gnu.org>,
'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:18:22 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5F1D87251C98412EADC1187ABFCC3E8D@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e01d8a51003261318v341a2af1k6ee5ac1cb093fbd1@mail.gmail.com>
> >> Couldn't C-x SPC be used to activate the region (without changing
> >> point and mark)? It seems unused and is easier to type then
> >> Alan's suggestion. -- Mathias
> >
> > C-z
>
> I think that would be a very bad idea since C-z seems to be used as
> undo in most editing environments.
And C-z is currently `suspend-frame' in Emacs. So what? Why is one conflict over
what C-z means better than the other? Or would you forbid Emacs from using C-z
altogether? No, I know, you would prefer C-z and all the rest to be CUA by
default. ;-)
CUA is so very different from Emacs that I see no need to consider such
conflicts. Emacs does not sync with CUA's C-c, C-x, C-v, ESC,... Why should we
treat CUA's C-z with special respect?
Arguments that Emacs should do something by default _only_ because vi (e.g.
Viper) or CUA does it are non-starters, with me at least.
Wrt delete-selection mode, I was clear that I would not support it as the
default for Emacs if the only reason were that new users expect it. I explicitly
cited CUA as a counter-example. I support d-s-mode mainly because I think it is
useful for Emacs users generally, and certainly not just because it coincides
with what new users expect. Not so, CUA.
There is a logic behind the CUA keys, yes. Those who came up with CUA didn't do
so without thought. But it is a logic that takes as its starting point that the
set of editing operations is just about summed up by those few operations: cut,
copy, paste, undo. Under such an assumption it is not a bad idea to put all of
those frequently used operations together within easy reach.
But Emacs's use of keyboard keys blows the "half-dozen editing operations"
scenario out of the water. AFAICS, the _only_ reason for Emacs to conform to CUA
would be to have a better fit with the outside world. For me, that is not a
sufficient reason.
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Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2010-03-24 20:20 ` d-s-m default: nil Ulf Jasper
2010-03-24 20:26 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-25 0:24 ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! (was: d-s-m default) Memnon Anon
2010-03-25 4:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 8:24 ` d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 13:18 ` David Kastrup
2010-03-25 13:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 14:21 ` Davis Herring
2010-03-25 14:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-25 15:04 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-25 16:27 ` Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-26 7:04 ` Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 23:56 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 2:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 8:28 ` mathias
2010-03-26 17:53 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:18 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 21:18 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-03-26 21:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:05 ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:07 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:23 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:33 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 22:44 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:15 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:30 ` Christophe Poncy
2010-03-26 22:13 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 22:32 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:11 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-26 23:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 23:35 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-27 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-27 23:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-27 23:37 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-27 23:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-28 0:28 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-03-29 23:38 ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30 0:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 1:16 ` Christoph
2010-03-30 5:31 ` Richard Stallman
2010-03-30 6:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-03-30 18:17 ` Chad Brown
2010-03-30 19:19 ` Lluís
2010-03-25 20:48 ` d-s-m default: t Noah Friedman
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