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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ED336AF57EB46B69AFB039907C5C5A0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83vdnosyg4.fsf@gnu.org>

> If you come too late in the pretest, yes.

Too late in which pretest? My guess is that you would have said the same thing
for the first pretest, months ago. Emacs development can drag on for years, and
it is a convenient excuse that has been used for a long time that "we are too
close to the release" to discuss this or that change or new feature.

> If we allow non-critical changes beyond certain point, we will
> either never make a release or release a buggy version (because
> each change might have, and usually has unintended consequences).

Do you really think that restoring this to the previous default behavior would
cause problems? If so, do you think we could not afford to take the time to fix
those problems? Are you sure this isn't just an excuse to ignore the question?

> > That's ridiculous.
>
> That's life.

No, it's just one possible policy choice. Please don't confuse the laws of
Nature with choices you have made.

> And just to keep this in perspective, we are talking about the default
> value of an easily customizable option.  How critical could a default
> be, even if it turns out to be disliked by many?

Using "it's not critical" as the only reason to introduce a bad choice is lame.
If you want a better perspective, that's the place from which to view this. How
about some _reasons_ supporting this change (beyond "I like it")?





  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-25 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59   ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14  0:06     ` garyo
2009-05-14  8:51       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14  9:37         ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15  3:21           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15  4:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  6:29               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29         ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15  2:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31               ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17  6:29                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28                     ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33                       ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  8:05                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  0:53                             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  1:03                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  1:59                                 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  3:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  4:16                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:34                                       ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48                                       ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51                                         ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29                                               ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01  2:33                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:22                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01  9:54                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:59                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09                                           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01  2:39                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19                                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01  7:24                                             ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36                                             ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02  1:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  8:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06                                         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2009-05-25 21:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  2:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  8:10                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  3:48                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53                         ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  0:03                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  0:52                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  8:35                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:26                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  2:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  4:16                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:16                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  9:29                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  0:13                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38                                   ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23                                     ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29  4:39                                     ` rms
2009-05-26  9:52                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36                                     ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:17                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26  6:56                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` David Reitter
     [not found]                                           ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58                                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27  2:50                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17                                   ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14   ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20   ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15  5:32       ` David Reitter
2009-05-15  7:18         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15  7:40         ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15  7:58           ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21             ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16  6:13               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  3:53       ` Stefan Monnier

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