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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"'Tom Rauchenwald'"
	<sehnsucht.nach.unendlichkeit@quantentunnel.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:35:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org>

> > > Do these BEGIN_SRC and END_SRC marks serve some useful 
> > > purpose in mail messages?
> > 
> > In recent Gnus builds it will font lock that part off the message
> > appropriatly, making it look pretty.

Will the next Gnus version randomly inject spinning globes, "You've WON!!"
banners, and other 1990s animelia?  Can't wait!  Wonder what that will look like
as markup...  Should liven up (and prettify!) the GNU mailing lists.

> Thanks, but why isn't this done in general-purpose font-lock of email
> messages?  Why limit this to Gnus?

Bzzzzt - wrong question.  The question is NOT why we don't extend or generalize
it to other Emacs email paraphernalia besides Gnus.  The question is why we send
this crap at all in plain-text messages?

That such markup might be useful within Org mode or Gnus or even Emacs generally
is no reason to expose it in plain-text mail.

We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists.  But then
Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum?  And then everyone who is not
using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing the markup?

If Gnus/Emacs wants to render HTML or XML markup, great.  Email clients of many
stripes generally know how to do that, so users do not see the markup itself.

But whatever Gnus/Emacs decides to do about markup and "looking pretty", please
keep the markup out of plain-text messages.  Some mailing list subscribers read
and write mail outside of Emacs (imagine that).  And some mailing lists are
mirrored to newsgroups and websites that can also be accessed without Emacs
(imagine that).

"Font-lock" prettifying doesn't mean a whole lot to the outside world.

(Note: I would have no problem with the GNU mailing lists NOT discouraging HTML
messages.  My point is that we should not (a) discourage HTML and then (b) bring
in some artisanal, Emacs-specific markup through the back door.  HTML and XML at
least provide (more or less) standard markup that is supported by many clients.)

#+END_GNUS




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-05 14:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-05  6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  8:16   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05  8:39     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05  8:54       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2012-05-05 15:10           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Antoine Levitt
2012-05-05 15:57             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07  2:25                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  6:23                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07  9:37                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07  8:57                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07  9:46                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07  5:44             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08  4:08                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08  7:37                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09  1:23                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  0:47                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09  3:50                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10  7:44                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:28                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:59                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 12:35                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-15  3:30                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15  3:56                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  9:02                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15  3:52                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-16 14:00                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  4:45                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09  6:28                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09  9:30                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08  0:20                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10  0:56                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17                                 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21                                   ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07  2:21                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  9:56                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29   ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06  0:08     ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06  2:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06  6:00     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15  6:40       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14  3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14  4:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09     ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59           ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16  2:05             ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier

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