From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:16:04 +0000 Message-ID: <5CFC1BD0-4EE5-438E-AFC5-EC025E11450A@gmail.com> References: <200511112049.jABKn9r23432@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131743875 11170 80.91.229.2 (11 Nov 2005 21:17:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs-Devel ' Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 11 22:17:53 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EagFs-0004HC-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:16:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EagFs-0000Gl-0h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EagFk-0000GZ-D7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EagFi-0000GF-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EagFi-0000GC-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.249.82.205] (helo=xproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EagFi-0002ym-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s8so660689wxc for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G1a/QOS6F1gBs6MjPh3fBW8Jv5EhwznGDE6b/ORaL07yVumFKF72nK6cIzFn0VMJx56/34F3UxK/JvCPTmN3XGeIoy8uum9c8+9rsxwgj25mjdrpGrmWVOqRJ0nyzCN30MHl59+agfUdEctMjUSBbPAh62xX/B6Bs06vwcoXwsI= Original-Received: by 10.65.123.6 with SMTP id a6mr2926340qbn; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:16:06 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ?129.215.174.81? ( [129.215.174.81]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q15sm1828736qbq.2005.11.11.13.16.04; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200511112049.jABKn9r23432@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Original-To: Luc Teirlinck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45775 Archived-At: On 11 Nov 2005, at 20:49, Luc Teirlinck wrote: > > ^L is by no means an obscure character, although it might be obscure > for people who never print plaintext buffers. I just typed ^L in Google and I couldn't find the meaning. I tried to use the Help menu to find it in the Emacs manual, to no avail. (Maybe I didn't search correctly, but I did what a naive user would do.). I also checked "Emacs Terminology" and couldn't find it. Sorry to say, but yes, it is obscure. Something like this is - nowadays - displayed in a graphical way. >> We could use overlays to display the ^L as something more visually >> appealing, while leaving ^L in the buffer. > > Definitely not, for the reasons above. If there is a ^L in the > buffer, > the user needs to know that. Why does he need to know? Doesn't a dashed horizontal line suggest that there's a page break much better than a ^L? Divider lines exist because they visually divide something. That helps me analyze the structure of a document more quickly. A ^L doesn't divide anything visually.