From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether)`emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:57:00 -0800 Message-ID: <5CBDAE291F7447E8834BD7E61FF36B8A@us.oracle.com> References: <83wqxk3d1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5hyxnb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqxhy4ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83fw45xxzk.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehjpxwqd.fsf@gnu.org> <838v9xxss8.fsf@gnu.org> <83zk2dvsba.fsf@gnu.org><50AB0EDE.40109@dancol.org> <83r4now6jk.fsf@gnu.org><50ABBFA4.6080402@dancol.org> <83haokw3ss.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353437885 12498 80.91.229.3 (20 Nov 2012 18:58:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Daniel Colascione'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 20 19:58:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tat1O-0006BK-2A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:57:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qAKIv5tv024358; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 12:57:05 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.225.221) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:57:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83haokw3ss.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac3HSXAMAZDt2zNHR4Wjk6F69krCDQABCcbQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67236 Archived-At: > Yet another candidate is "My Documents" (e.g., bzr uses > it). But none of them is really for the user, according to Windows > guidelines. Really? I don't know (or care too much) what Windows guidelines might say about this. But I would be mildly curious about that, if you happen to have a URL. Everyone I know considers `My Documents' and its subfolders to be a user folder - maybe even *THE* user folder par excellence. There is even a `My Documents' folder for each user defined for the machine. (Another name for it can be Administrator's Documents, Drew's Documents, Eli's Documents. etc.) Pretty clear to me that this intended to separate one users documents from those of another user, as well as from non-user documents. Why any program (e.g. bzr, apparently) would want to consider that folder as fair game for stuffing its internal stuff is beyond me. How impolite. Anyway, let's see what good ol' Wikipedia has to say... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Documents My Documents is the name of a special folder on the computer's hard drive that the system commonly uses to store a user's documents, music, pictures, downloads, and other files. Whaddya know? And it says `My Documents' was introduced, "as a standard location for storing user-created files." Hm. That all sounds just like what I think about it. And about its subfolders, including `My Music',... That "My" should tell us something, I would think. `My Documents' is not the kind of place a civilized program would want to pollute with its own crap. Now of course, installing a program might well create a subfolder under `My Documents' that is intended for user-created data that is specific to that program - e.g. music files you save. Nothing wrong with that. That is not the same as a place to stuff program-internal data. We have `Program Files' and user-specific `Local Settings\Application Data' for that kind of thing.