From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ulrich Windl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34357: Antw: Re: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5C5B69F1020000A10002F8DA@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> <87womcy15w.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="115431"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org To: Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 00:29:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grWd9-000TtX-O6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:29:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWd8-0004y9-Ma for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:29:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWcv-0004uX-6a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:29:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWOI-0007Sm-UJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:14:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWOI-0007Sd-Pq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWOI-00036h-Dq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:14:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Ulrich Windl" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949478311861 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 23:13:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36354 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWNK-00035F-T2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de ([194.94.155.52]:51611) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grWNI-00034j-T4 for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D2FB7CD15 for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 00:12:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de (gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.5.51]) by rrzmta2.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2D07A9DF for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 7 Feb 2019 00:12:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from uni-regensburg-smtp1-MTA by gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:12:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 18.1.0 In-Reply-To: <87womcy15w.fsf@posteo.net> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:155201 Archived-At: Hi! Maybe show the rationale for changing 1: and 2:. Probably even with = knowing those, I'd still want the previous behavior back. Regards, Ulrich >>> Brett Gilio 06.02.19 23.58 Uhr >>> Ulrich Windl writes: > Hi! > > This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the = users who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not = understand the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like = Emacs, use another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! > > Two examples: > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are = visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer = you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must = completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change = the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to = the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the = beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to = insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be = customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? > > I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... > > > Regards, > Ulrich Windl To be more explicit in my last email, since this is a "bug report". What exactly are you wanting changed to "close" the bug?