From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ulrich Windl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:30:29 +0100 Message-ID: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="141896"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 06 23:42:31 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtm-000an3-0t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:42:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59504 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtk-0002b6-UC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:42:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtL-0002RI-U7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtL-0004Q7-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:42:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtL-0004Q3-1v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:42:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grVtK-0002GW-Vn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:42:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Ulrich Windl" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.15494928778629 (code B ref -1); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 22:41:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsb-0002F7-5O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsZ-0002Eu-4N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:15 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsT-00049c-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grVsS-0001dj-45 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:41:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grViF-000064-1H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de ([194.94.155.51]:35145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grViC-0008Vl-Vv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:30:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B0FBD671DD for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de (gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.5.51]) by rrzmta1.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993DD5EB62 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from uni-regensburg-smtp1-MTA by gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:30:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 18.1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:155197 Archived-At: Hi! This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the users = who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not understand = the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like Emacs, use = another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! Two examples: 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are visiting = any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer you are = editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must completely = type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change the = position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to the = displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the = beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to = insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be = customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... Regards, Ulrich Windl