From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6493: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:26:59 -0700 Message-ID: <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com><6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com><21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com><6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com><87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279906709 21220 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 17:38:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Juanma Barranquero' , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Deniz Dogan' To: "'Stephen Berman'" , "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 19:38:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMCU-0006j1-Tr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:38:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58642 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcMCU-0005Vn-F2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42296 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcMBb-00059T-O4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMBZ-00044i-Ca for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:27 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMBZ-00044a-90 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM3S-0005aJ-Ck; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:29:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127990611821451 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 17:28:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM34-0005Zw-3C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:28:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM31-0005Zr-Ru for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6NHSVOU021925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:28:33 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6N1FfgC014284; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:28:28 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt012.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 431772941279906021; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:27:01 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.179) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:27:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> Thread-Index: AcsqiY1Rrel+g+eBSf6K/u49OFy8swAAHfZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4C49D13D.031D:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:29:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:38839 Archived-At: > How about this: > "Return the smaller of the integer value of point or the mark." > (`value' is used in the doc strings of 'point' and `mark'.) The scope of "the integer value of" is ambiguous. Does it apply to "point or the mark" or to just to "point"? In the latter case, if the mark is smaller than the integer value of point then the mark is returned. (Yes, a marker can be compared numerically.) And in that case, it is incorrect. The mark is a marker. A marker is never returned here - it is the integer value of the mark (or of point) that is returned. And in the former case, the grammar is incorrect - it should be "and" not "or". It's `min' applied to a plurality (2) of things, not just to one of them. So "value" needs to be "values" and "or" needs to be "and". Hence: "Return the smaller of the integer values of point and mark." But that could conceivably be misread to suggest that either can have multiple values... This is what I recommend (very close to what I mentioned in the beginning): "Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is smaller."