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From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Fix some tooltip related problems
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:47:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A587620.8040201@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ec21a1ef-9fd4-460d-8722-138a3fe8f3e5@default>

 >> The option `x-gtk-use-system-tooltips' decides whether to use system
 >> or Emacs tooltips.  This is a user option and should never be set by
 >> Lisp code.
 >
 > Then that doesn't satisfy what I requested:
 >
 >    "being able to choose for any given context which to use"
 >                          ---------------------
 >    "Can we let Lisp code (and so users too) decide, here or
 >     there, which kind of tooltip to use (heavyweight "Emacs"
 >     or lightweight "system")?"

Right.  Such decisions must be left to the user.

 > And users on gtk-build systems can choose.  Choice should
 > also be available to Lisp functions, as use cases differ.
 > It's of course possible to let a user option allow for
 > Lisp control or override/prevent it, au choix.
 >
 > Today, does changing the value of that user option change
 > the behavior dynamically?  E.g., if you did change the
 > value using a given Lisp function would the behavior change?
 >
 > If so then some specific contexts could, by default, use
 > "Emacs" tooltips, while other contexts did not.

I'd rather advise to set `x-gtk-use-system-tooltips' once in the init
file and never change it during the session.

 > For example, tooltip-dimming for mode-line mouseover
 > could be done for non-Windows also, without imposing "Emacs"
 > tooltips everywhere.  And users could prevent that dimming
 > using option `x-gtk-use-system-tooltips'.
 >
 > Since that's apparently possible for more than just Windows,
 > including for at least some GNU/Linux builds, that's what
 > we should do by default.  I didn't propose it earlier
 > because I thought you were saying that it is only Windows
 > that supports faces in tooltips, and I know that we don't
 > tailor default Emacs behavior for Windows only.

Please look into the implementation details of tooltips before
suggesting such things.

martin



  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-12  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-08  9:53 Fix some tooltip related problems martin rudalics
2018-01-08 14:41 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-08 18:19   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-08 18:50     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-09  9:42       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-09 15:08         ` Drew Adams
2018-01-10 10:20           ` martin rudalics
2018-01-10 15:55             ` Drew Adams
2018-01-10 19:17               ` Alan Third
2018-01-10 21:02                 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-10 23:04                   ` Alan Third
2018-01-10 23:26                     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11  3:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-11  7:03                 ` Yuri Khan
2018-01-11 14:32                   ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 10:56               ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 14:42                 ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 17:06                   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 17:19                     ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-11 17:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-11 18:20                         ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 23:33                         ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-01-12  8:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-12  8:40                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-12  9:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-12 13:57                             ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-12 14:15                               ` Philipp Stephani
2018-01-11 19:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-11 23:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-12  8:48                         ` Robert Pluim
2018-01-11 18:09                     ` Drew Adams
2018-01-11 18:54                       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-11 19:50                         ` Drew Adams
2018-01-12  8:47                           ` martin rudalics [this message]
2018-01-12 16:43                             ` Drew Adams
2018-01-08 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-08 19:06   ` martin rudalics
2018-01-08 19:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-09  9:42       ` martin rudalics
2018-01-19 18:54 ` martin rudalics

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