From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: <5A533F70.2080300@gmx.at> References: <83vage9432.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2r27wnz.fsf@gnu.org> <5A524626.7060304@gmx.at> <83incd8thm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515405231 12723 195.159.176.226 (8 Jan 2018 09:53:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 09:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kireev.artur@live.ru, 30010@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 08 10:53:47 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYU7b-0002HH-1b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:52:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83incd8thm.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:3gGCl9AUBzXSqqn5DdP2hwXAg0nHN5l7bk3EvYgZI3rBJbWP0Oj tk3CANOa/HxiW3KM/8/UmX9TB5+jaMg+jimU3XT7kFcZ+LiV+u9l7gW2fatOExjf/05jCAb rUJadCHAEzELudGLZJPyJcR92OUvaG1vjv2b85POCSZ4RiN2kdCusUt0VeTV/QYZlsfm2AH rAqRkt+L+Nh/3F3oMPPPg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:t4zQVVRF3G8=:EVCMBCZUmJDhucB81XzOYW ADE41fS6o03ZupwQUkfJz1j6IP5I1gOGY7GQWPB701Re4Gsyjhqq18ws6zCjQXqcilMZnxher ZjQa6rvjIwBcDnvzhfvYDdWpBQVd0qaYNffWz7zTggh3BuCE4+adQ2GseDBvYaxi9NO8QB1bj aGIdaEQR/ETExOoWge8XHb8NE5dhGElsnTyj6dFahqZGi9G4KuOV3447cp2eymPgwZGEuURg2 th5zoAUfEXmL1PdJg70Ddr9h37tpwtfM831BvP4O1zUUE/EnQHi8H72YVHbYLbGs1+m/Gj9wJ wUIHda06GxlBSZCIUElMEMBdcEzQpepBYdnvCF4fNHIp/7Px5vojMIwlwFuFhshqf7N84Wri5 798zyvStS+8Qy8CRjDfwCHIiO5HFeGckiBlGh9yuyYk+hEqsDYA158JDfxR1xkxRc8kXGsuwL V2ygAV4Bz3mEwDvIU5tyfm0ytSvU9iO9Co9xe+9M6CsCtKpqXDArkci0SwBnxCyD0QpQOv1rk PaKyxf3z+9kxAZ2zYWFR6iGoxTQzumivfBSss6cUqCsV3DjqEVlGNMydpi8PtduIpClQomLnn cpasGj3XZ6h8IeOWFYlZ9FpmyX+Y97Cg+PglWwIOfJWdOvYPOwZdYxj0RgRz5OrGBrnZhGIoZ /t35eqvnBlnsT9Az5bgaCF6sdPQCO+9LnfJfOQsPew4mEzoh/ytODVIPAKOsFlqqYvxNhrb0U dZG5CNgGb67IWZLm6zAHXBJi9y34jrucAbzSUHNcoN/dKUsi9C2Qj7vEVnhyheB8LVKUqYUz X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141896 Archived-At: >> Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such >> key bindings? > > I thought about mentioning this in PROBLEMS, but it sounded too > obscure even for that. I could be convinced, though. Did you mean > PROBLEMS or did you mean something else? It looks to me as if now on Windows (1) Emacs grasps key combinations before anyone else gets hold of them and (2) if it doesn't find an appropriate binding for them, emit a warning unless it's a combination reserved for Windows itself. For example, on XP I use ahk to emulate the Aero combination of lwindow key + left key via ctrl + lwindow + alt + left key This works with all other applications and also in a "normal" emacs where I assign (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; lwindow is hyper But with emacs -Q I get the warning is undefined although I apparently don't get it in later invocations of the same executable. I think (2) is a bad idea and there should be an option to turn off such warnings. Unfortunately, I have not been able to understand how this mechanism works nowadays. martin