From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:52:36 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <59EC6788-92AE-11D7-8588-00039363E640@swipnet.se> References: <200305301329.h4UDToq9021933@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054307768 4690 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 15:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 17:16:06 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LlWY-0000lx-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:10:30 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Llll-0006MO-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:26:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LlWq-0004bC-J8 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:10:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LlWL-0004RI-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LlVp-00046o-HW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:09:46 -0400 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LlSy-00037e-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 11:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from accessno42.bodenonline.com (accessno42.bodenonline.com [193.201.16.44])h4UFh9LC005420; Fri, 30 May 2003 17:43:10 +0200 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" In-Reply-To: <200305301329.h4UDToq9021933@rum.cs.yale.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14490 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14490 >> I have machines where I can read and send mail with mail applications, >> but not with Emacs. Any mail Emacs would try to send would go to >> /var/spool/mqueue and stay there forever. > > These are very badly configured machines. > Complain to whoever is responsible for such a brain dead behavior. That would be me :-) > A missing sendmail or a sendmail that returns a particular error > could be a useful hint to convince Emacs to automatically try the > smtpmail package. Sendmail is not missing and does not return any error message. The sendmail daemon is not running, that is all. Why should it? Nobody is using it, and a potential security risk is removed. It seems excessive to configure sendmail and start a daemon just because Emacs might want to send a mail. Jan D.