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From: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	"Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
Subject: Re: Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq`
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 10:36:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58A7E984-95CC-4F7F-817B-10E680E5966E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SRGszwv5gmS7+M8onPmuZip5SdUH6bsOPS-2hz9FRRErw@mail.gmail.com>

15 dec. 2022 kl. 05.17 skrev Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>:

> Note that your patch has a false positive with the empty string, which is optimized to be always the same object

That's only an implementation aspect that we give no guarantees about on the Lisp language level, and in fact as you correctly observe:

> there are two, a unibyte one and a multibyte one

Precisely, and often there's no telling which one we compare against in (eq x "") -- that expression may return t or nil when x is an empty string.
Thus it's definitely a well-motivated warning, toy examples like

> (let ((x "")) (eq x ""))

notwithstanding. We simply do not guarantee the identity of literal strings and the empty string is no exception.

15 dec. 2022 kl. 07.34 skrev Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>:

> I miss a suggestion, though: the warning as it is is not actionable. It
> would be great if it could say something along the lines of
> 
> "... (arg 2). Consider using `equal'."

While this sounds like a useful suggestion on the surface, it's actually slightly dangerous: blindly replacing `eq` with `equal` (and `memq` with `member`, and so on) may very well break working code (that silently relied on the condition not being true). It's also a poor remedy against pratfalls like

  (memq x '(one 'two 'three))

which do occur. What we really want is to make a human look at the code, and think.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-12-15  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-14 18:17 Warn about comparing quoted lists (etc) using `eq` Mattias Engdegård
2022-12-14 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-14 20:57   ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-12-14 18:57 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-12-15  4:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-15  6:34   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-12-15  7:00     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-15  9:36   ` Mattias Engdegård [this message]
2022-12-15 10:06     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-15 10:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-15 13:58       ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-12-15 16:13     ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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