From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 09:47:54 -0700 Message-ID: <587deeaea401be88a552e453cf57bbec@basiscraft.com> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22075"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 18:49:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntBEw-0005Xe-S5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 18:49:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntBEv-0003qr-G9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 12:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntBDq-0003oh-CP; Mon, 23 May 2022 12:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from d.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.50]:60004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntBDo-0008Us-Qm; Mon, 23 May 2022 12:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.a.apps.sonic.net [64.142.109.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24NGlsWZ027798; Mon, 23 May 2022 09:47:54 -0700 In-Reply-To: X-Sonic-Auth: zP9gOArNnHMBNULU/h4oR33KvKtwB7o37xCQcS+nZsXBvl1WEV/mA7/TkV7PzuVy86X3umnkz6dDbJWFObxcIHULHbkxzGoT0uaWZXcsL3s= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVYFrHajBugegNVWI1qkP0GiipbZ6JBcQSDrBnFWpboupbaSnvbaq/uMfvJFYRLFPcPVnF3sYzCyDzjJ5vMLRenQJ1VXALGGOJU= X-Sonic-ID: C;ivKAF7ja7BGqO6G3XTPn8g== M;zCqJF7ja7BGqO6G3XTPn8g== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.50; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=d.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137366 Archived-At: This reads like someone trying to divide and conquer On 2022-05-22 23:50, Jean Louis wrote: > * Emanuel Berg [2022-05-23 00:22]: >> One problem with IRC is the presence of lamers, luckily this >> problem can be solved easily with technology starting with the >> IRC client. Today I learned how to do this with my client, >> ERC: > > 😥 Emacs channel for years has no moderators who moderate by common > sense and police the channel for good behavior, there are no special > rules, and those policies displayed like to avoid discrimination and > asshatery will be quickly broken by those few dominating over larger > group of people there. > > And people participating, often few hundreds of them may think and get > opinion that rude behavior is acceptable -- no it is not normal, there > are many occurences of unfriendly and abusively dominating behavior. > > Some of alpha monkey dominators will switch from channel to channel > after the user and even complain why did that user go to other > channel. They go because of abusive behavior. > > Public come to #emacs for Emacs reasons. They will often find > narcissists' behavior and abuse. Insults and mockery are common. > > #emacs IMHO is not GNU governedchannel, rather it is GNU project > related channel, IMHO, is also not moderated by GNU Kind > Communication Guidelines. > > This is appearing as generalization, as I do not want to mention the > dominators' nick names. > > Some people complain on Libreplanet mailing list on unwelcoming > environments in social networks around free software. I can really > understand such complaints, and I like to point to friendly digital > places for help. IMHO #emacs channel on IRC is such place due to few > dominating parties. This is because dominators live in their own > digital world behind the computer, forgetting about the human beings > on other side of the world.